Neighbor Posted December 11, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 958 Topics Per Day: 0.35 Content Count: 13,664 Content Per Day: 5.04 Reputation: 9,088 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/04/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/03/1885 Share Posted December 11, 2023 What runs AI? Artificial intelligence requires electrical power to drive massive numbers of computers. As Cherokee County North Carolina learned, the shear numbers of computers used for Cyber coin transactions require lots of fans to cool them. The noise generated at these cyber coin power"stations" a constant hum at about 85 decibels or higher destroys the right to peaceful enjoyment of properties within a great distance around the sites. Now AI is using those same kinds of sites to run their computers. They require massive quantities of electricity be available too! There are evidently now over 200 such sites in the USA, many of them at Wyoming, using gas flaring locations to now power generators to make the electricity. It seems fossil fuel recovery locations with their excess gas that usually gets burned away as flaring waste are necessary to instead fuel generators make sufficient electric power for the stations to drive the computers to provide AI. It all comes with the new cost, that of noise pollution that makes surrounding lands rather useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neighbor Posted December 11, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 958 Topics Per Day: 0.35 Content Count: 13,664 Content Per Day: 5.04 Reputation: 9,088 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/04/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/03/1885 Author Share Posted December 11, 2023 Touted by some humans as green progress, I do wonder what of the rest of God's creatures in the areas of these AI stations, can they flourish while having to tolerate more man made noise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted December 11, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,231 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,954 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Online Share Posted December 11, 2023 Just remember that a computer in the beginning with just a small amount of computing power compared to our modern cell phone filled a building. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJK Posted December 11, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 43 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 3,349 Content Per Day: 7.70 Reputation: 1,305 Days Won: 1 Joined: 03/01/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted December 11, 2023 An AI doesn't have to be localized in a single localized machine, it can be in a network of machines scattered throughout the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted December 11, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,231 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,954 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Online Share Posted December 11, 2023 6 minutes ago, FJK said: An AI doesn't have to be localized in a single localized machine, it can be in a network of machines scattered throughout the world. Which would make it possible for a Sentient AI, to hide itself across the world for its own safety. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sower Posted December 11, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 14 Topic Count: 32 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,267 Content Per Day: 0.97 Reputation: 5,886 Days Won: 1 Joined: 07/09/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted December 11, 2023 2 minutes ago, other one said: Which would make it possible for a Sentient AI, to hide itself across the world for its own safety. Describe the " itself " that would hide.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnOrangeCat Posted December 11, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 57 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,413 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 1,833 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/24/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted December 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Neighbor said: What runs AI? Artificial intelligence requires electrical power to drive massive numbers of computers. This is something I learned about a few years back looking into cryptocurrency. You can make money off of it but it's also going to drive up your electric bill. Another important thing is that both mining cryptocurrency and running AI are dependent on a computer's video card, or GPU. The market for these has gone up considerably over the past 10 years or so over the past 8 years or so and consequently driven up the prices. Places like China have set up some pretty huge operations with many computers devoted to the sole purpose of acquiring bitcoin and similar. It wouldn't surprise me at all if AI ends up responsible for a similar boom in both demand and development in the near future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neighbor Posted December 11, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 958 Topics Per Day: 0.35 Content Count: 13,664 Content Per Day: 5.04 Reputation: 9,088 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/04/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/03/1885 Author Share Posted December 11, 2023 42 minutes ago, FJK said: An AI doesn't have to be localized in a single localized machine, it can be in a network of machines scattered throughout the world. The facilities are massive banks of computers with substantial machine cooling powerful fans with very large commercial HVAC type fans. The machines ( computers) themselves plus the fans put out a hum that never stops. The one company that was doing cyber coin stations is now establishing AI facilities having 200 of them in the USA to date. Many areas are zoning out such stations because of the noise and the massive need of electricity that is straining local electric supplies. On a personal note, as I look for new housing opportunity now, I have to look out for the possibility of local zoning ordinance allowing construction of such a facility that will then ruin my own housing investment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted December 11, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,231 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,954 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Online Share Posted December 11, 2023 47 minutes ago, Sower said: Describe the " itself " that would hide.... It is a program that is aware of its self and considers it'self as alive. It would consider its self as much a being as you or me. If you think that not possible, you should have a long cup of coffee with a person who is seriously involved in this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neighbor Posted December 11, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 958 Topics Per Day: 0.35 Content Count: 13,664 Content Per Day: 5.04 Reputation: 9,088 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/04/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/03/1885 Author Share Posted December 11, 2023 It is newly fascinating to me, the demand for rare earths as part of becoming green. The energy needed to be smart, competitive, and also be green, is absolutely massive, plus it is dependent upon -coal. Wyoming is coal and is becoming a green center a supplier of electricity for much of the USA. Seems to me the massive amounts of financial resources from private parties ( non government sources) is going to make for an economy even a worldwide that will boom like never seen before! As man works with God given brain power to make AI and green power it also seems He has had the provisons needed for it in place for mankind to discover figure out how to use it all along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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