What happened to gentiles churches where Paul wrote his letters to ?

[R. Hartono]

At circa 85 AD John received Revelation at Patmos island and Jesus message to the seven churches, none of gentile churches built by Paul was mentioned. 

Have they perished already when Nero persecuted Christians circa 65 AD ? 

Edited December 12, 2023 by R. Hartono

[Stewardofthemystery]

I personally believe John received the Revelation earlier than most believe because of the words of Paul….

2 Corinthians 12:2-5

King James Version

2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.

3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;)

4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and “heard unspeakable words,”which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

5 Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities.”

Paul was not talking about himself as he makes clear in the above verses, but Paul was talking about John who was caught up to heaven and “heard unspeakable words”.

Revelation 10:4

And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.

 

[Retrobyter]

1 hour ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

I personally believe John received the Revelation earlier than most believe because of the words of Paul….

2 Corinthians 12:2-5

King James Version

2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.

3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;)

4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and “heard unspeakable words,”which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

5 Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities.”

Paul was not talking about himself as he makes clear in the above verses, but Paul was talking about John who was caught up to heaven and “heard unspeakable words”

Shalom, Steward.

This is not necessarily true. Paul could have been talking about himself in the 3rd person. He seems to be talking more intimately about this "man" than just a friend or a brother. He ssems to have INTIMATE KNOWLEDGE of what the "man" was told and what he was restricted from telling.

1 hour ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

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Revelation 10:4

And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.

 

I can see your point, but who says that John was the ONLY one to hear words he was forbidden to repeat? Paul, too, is counted as a NT prophet of God. While it's POSSIBLE that you're right, we cannot conclude that Paul was speaking about John. He may have been referring to his OWN prophetic vision. Just keeping it in check. Someday, maybe soon, we'll be able to ASK PAUL DIRECTLY and hear it from his own mouth.

[Stewardofthemystery]

4 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, Steward.

This is not necessarily true. Paul could have been talking about himself in the 3rd person. He seems to be talking more intimately about this "man" than just a friend or a brother. He ssems to have INTIMATE KNOWLEDGE of what the "man" was told and what he was restricted from telling.

I can see your point, but who says that John was the ONLY one to hear words he was forbidden to repeat? Paul, too, is counted as a NT prophet of God. While it's POSSIBLE that you're right, we cannot conclude that Paul was speaking about John. He may have been referring to his OWN prophetic vision. Just keeping it in check. Someday, maybe soon, we'll be able to ASK PAUL DIRECTLY and hear it from his own mouth.

To me Paul makes it clear he was not talking about “himself”when he says…

“5 Of such an one will I glory: “yet of myself”I will not glory, but in mine infirmities.”

If Paul was talking about himself it would make Paul sound like he had schizophrenia or a split personality disorder.

I am convinced Paul met with John, and John told Paul about the Revelation.

But people can believe what they want.

Peace