The Whole Scope And Scale Of Christianity

[Neighbor]

2 hours ago, NConly said:

Great verse this is one of the commandments of the new covenant Jesus gave us to replace the old ten.

Hi, Thoughts of my once upon a time Catholic Bible  so nicely  bound, but done errantly by the publisher as it was upside down, just flashed by within my mind's eye.

 I would sit at work reading it during breaks  sometimes reading passages aloud. My co workers would stare at the upside down cover and then me in a state of wonder. Had a grand time doing that.

Somewhere along the line that particular Bible just up and disappeared from my collection.

[Neighbor]

2 minutes ago, Neighbor said:

 I would sit at work reading it during breaks  sometimes reading passages aloud. My co workers would stare at the upside down cover and then me in a state of wonder. Had a grand time doing that.

p.s. I should explain that back in those days I was the resident atheist at the Mortuary-Cenetery office. Yet some thought I could read the Bible upside down.

[Mr. M]

On 12/20/2023 at 3:04 PM, Michael37 said:

For details of this refer to the Bible.

I believe Paul was speaking summarily when he made this statement:

10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection,

and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

In so saying, he clearly reflects the words of His Master:

3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God,

and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. 

Should we say to know Him is to love Him,

or to love Him is to know Him?

Edited December 21, 2023 by Mr. M

[Marathoner]

58 minutes ago, Neighbor said:

p.s. I should explain that back in those days I was the resident atheist at the Mortuary-Cenetery office. Yet some thought I could read the Bible upside down.

I've deliberately read books upside down, and at times reflected in a mirror, to see if I could pull it off. I did so with no issues. I suppose the ability to do that has to do with:

1). My exposure to Japanese script. When arranged vertically, Japanese script is read in columns from top to the bottom. Arranged horizontally, Japanese script is read from the left to the right. Not a problem. 

2.) The fact that I'm weird. A fun childhood activity: copying a page from the dictionary backwards. 

Edited December 21, 2023 by Marathoner
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[NConly]

2 hours ago, Michael37 said:

Spot on. Nailed it in one. Bull's-eye.

This is something that has occupied me all my life. 

I have been around some very zealous and enthusiastic followers of Christ who are into stuff that plainly rubs me up the wrong way. 

Moving on from the vexations to the variations existing within the scope and scale of Christianity. The assemblies, the missions, the ministries, and the members of the body of Christ.

Often it's a case of here they come, hallelujah, praise the Lord, let's get along, then time's up, we're splitting up, we're moving on, and then they are gone.

On a global scale, the direction of human affairs is either towards Christ or away from Him. 

Seek you first the kingdom of God, and His righteousness . That's in the Bible.

Im a new covenant believer in Jesus and what he taught. He gave everything we need with out any hep from the old covenant or old law.

Many are still servants only some are Sons.

Gal 4

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

 

 

 

 

[farouk]

10 minutes ago, NConly said:

Im a new covenant believer in Jesus and what he taught. He gave everything we need with out any hep from the old covenant or old law.

Many are still servants only some are Sons.

Gal 4

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

 

 

 

 

@NConly If we are truly believers in the Lord Jesus, my understanding is that we are sons - even if our lives could show a lot more clearly the dignity of sonship.

John 1.12: "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name..."

[NConly]

2 hours ago, farouk said:

@NConly If we are truly believers in the Lord Jesus, my understanding is that we are sons - even if our lives could show a lot more clearly the dignity of sonship.

John 1.12: "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name..."

You may be right but Ill hold my opinion that to be a son one must believe they only need Jesus and what he taught to be sons of God. If one feels they need the old law to supplement Jesus then imo they are servants still.

If one needs a supplement to Jesus is that complete acceptance ?

Edited December 22, 2023 by NConly
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[farouk]

26 minutes ago, NConly said:

You may be right but Ill hold my opinion that to be a son one must believe they only need Jesus and what he taught to be sons of God. If one feels they need the old law to supplement Jesus then imo they are servants still.

If one needs a supplement to Jesus is that complete acceptance ?

I must admit that I haven't followed this thread closely, but the alternative view that you are describing doesn't sound right. Good to stick close to Scripture; I'm sure you would agree.

[NConly]

7 minutes ago, farouk said:

I must admit that I haven't followed this thread closely, but the alternative view that you are describing doesn't sound right. Good to stick close to Scripture; I'm sure you would agree.

 

Servants are saved but imo not Sons of God.

Colos 2

9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

John 5

22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Acts 1339 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Heb 7

11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Rom 7:4

11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Gal 2

21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

John 15:1010 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

 

 

[farouk]

3 minutes ago, NConly said:

 

Servants are saved but imo not Sons of God.

Colos 2

9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

John 5

22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Acts 1339 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Heb 7

11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Rom 7:4

11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Gal 2

21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

John 15:1010 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

 

 

@NConly Thanks; I think you may have transposed/omitted the Romans quote under the Hebrews heading........