Holding Out

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

5 hours ago, WordSword said:

I would say that "no purpose" is the same thing.

 

Yes that is also in the definition (highlighted in red below)

1. freely, for nothing, without cause

   1. gratis, gratuitously, for nothing

   2. for no purpose, in vain

   3. gratuitously, without cause, undeservedly

 

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

2 hours ago, Know Jah said:

Here again the scriptures states God test/tries no one with evil. Therefore I can see a loving God putting Job through all that he went through just to prove a point. I can clearly see that Satan caused all of Jobs suffering and God allowed it.

It's just like Jesus he was driven of the Spirit "to be" tempted "by" the Devil but God was not the one "tempting him" to do evil

Mat 4:1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

Our prayer is "lead us not into" temptation

James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man

Satan is the tempter

Mat 4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.

Jesus is called a "tried stone" also. And as with Job so also with Simon. It shows/and or implies in both that Satan needs permission, even as the Lord tells  Simon of Satan's desire to have him  here (by way of sifting him)

Luke 22:31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:

And Jesus says to him that he is praying this way

Luke 22:32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.

James also speaks of the trying of ones faith,

James 1:2-3 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; Knowing this, that the trying of your faith  worketh patience.

Which is to work patience and as James says

James 1:4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.

James brings Job back into when speaking of the same here

James 5:11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord;  that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.

Returning back here when Jesus says to Simon,

Luke 22:32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.

And Peter speaking of "the trial of your faith" in 1 Peter 1:7 and it tried by fire says here

1 Peter 4:12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:
 

As Peter said in 1 Peter 1:6 in the verse prior,  Peter speaks of a season if need be saying, "though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations"

And its purpose here

1 Peter 7:1 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire,  might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ

And Christ (the power of God) prays for his faith (through this permitted sifting)

Luke 22:32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not

1 Cr 1:24 Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

1 Peter 1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

You couldn't have a better prayer partner backing you up.

Know Jah actually has the gift of the best questions sometimes

Edited January 10, 2024 by AFlameOfFire