FreeGrace Posted February 20 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,462 Content Per Day: 8.07 Reputation: 622 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/07/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted February 20 1 hour ago, Shilohsfoal said: I was unaware anyone has ascended to heaven besides Jesus. Where do you think all the saints who die are now? Still in Hades? That would be huge error. Haven't you read what Paul said about death of the believer? 2 Cor 5:6 - Therefore we are always confident and know that as long as we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord. 2 Cor 5:8 - We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord. So, where do you think the souls of believers who have died are? 1 hour ago, Shilohsfoal said: John 3:13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man. Didn't you consider WHEN Jesus said this? He was still alive and preaching. And He was right, of course. In the OT, ALL saints (saved) who died went to Paradise, or what Jesus called "Abraham's bosom", which is located in Hades, in a separate compartment from "torments" where all the souls of unbelievers go when they die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeGrace Posted February 20 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,462 Content Per Day: 8.07 Reputation: 622 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/07/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted February 20 1 hour ago, Shilohsfoal said: I was unaware anyone has ascended to heaven besides Jesus. So, where do you think the souls of believers go when they die? Consider what Paul wrote: 2 cor 5:6 - Therefore we are always confident and know that as long as we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord. 2 Cor 5:8 - We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord. So, he was clear. Believers in the NT are either physically alive and 'away from the Lord' or physically dead and "at home with the Lord". Real clear. 1 hour ago, Shilohsfoal said: John 3:13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man. Did you not consider WHEN Jesus said this? Jesus lived during OT times. the souls of ALL the saved went to Paradise, which is a compartment of Hades. Jesus referred to it as "Abraham's bosom" in the account of Lazarus and the rich man and their deaths. After Jesus' resurrection, He went and "preached to the spirits in prison". 1 Peter 3:19 - in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison, Am I correct to assume you are 7th day adventist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted February 20 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.46 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 20 (edited) 21 minutes ago, FreeGrace said: See? That wasn't so difficult. Thanks. Book, chapter and verse(s) please. From an on-line commentary: freebiblecommentary.com: Daniel 11:21-35, although less specific, relate to the eighth Seleucid ruler, Antiochus IV Epiphanes Daniel 11:36-45 relate to either (1) Antiochus IV or (2) the Antichrist at the end-time. There has been much disagreement among commentators about Dan. 11:21-45. Antiochus actually fulfilled v.36-45 in 70 AD when he invaded and destroyed Jerusalem and ended the nation of Israel. So, let's not get too dogmatic about any of this. Since scholars don't agree, there's no point in arguing. If "this" refers to v.36, I don't see any words about giving Israel an army. v.36 - "Then the king will do as he pleases, and he will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will speak monstrous things against the God of gods; and he will prosper until the indignation is finished, for that which is decreed will be done." Sorry, but it's just not there. However, I will really pay attention should Israel lose its own army. Then I'll be on the lookout for who give them an army. lol Well,if you want to follow Jason of Cyrene then that would be your choice.Just keep in mind Jason taught the abomination of desolation spoken of by Jesus had already been fulfilled. Edited February 20 by Shilohsfoal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted February 20 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.46 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 20 19 minutes ago, FreeGrace said: The evil attack on Oct 7 has solidified the people, from what I've heard. Not concerning the conscription.It was a hot debate before he war and will get worse afterward .It's a very unfair conscription. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted February 21 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.46 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 21 (edited) 35 minutes ago, FreeGrace said: Really? One man's reality is another man's fantasy. Please provide evidence. Nope. Please explain yourself. Seems you are suggesting that Israel itself is the beast, was wiped out in 70 AD and became a nation again in 48. ???? Seems you are as anti Jewish as the far left. Followed after "it". What is "it"? Israel? What are you talking about? This is just an opinion. You have zero evidence for any of it. You have already proven you don't know scripture,Your trying to argue without having any knowledge of any subject. This is really getting old.You should try reading the word of God sometime . This is what the word of God says concerning Israel on the day of the Lord Amos 5 Did you bring me sacrifices and offerings forty years in the wilderness, people of Israel? 26 You have lifted up the shrine of your king, the pedestal of your idols, the star of your god[b]— which you made for yourselves. 27 Therefore I will send you into exile beyond Damascus,” says the Lord, whose name is God Almighty This exile caused by Israel's idolatry is confirmed zech 14 and the gospel of Jesus Christ. Zech 14 14 A day of the Lord is coming, Jerusalem, when your possessions will be plundered and divided up within your very walls. 2 I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city Mathew ,8:11-12 I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” The bible is full.of evidence.Try studying sometimes and spend less time arguing . All of this for Donald Trump. seriously. I'm done Edited February 21 by Shilohsfoal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted February 21 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.46 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 21 20 minutes ago, FreeGrace said: So, where do you think the souls of believers go when they die? Consider what Paul wrote: 2 cor 5:6 - Therefore we are always confident and know that as long as we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord. 2 Cor 5:8 - We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord. So, he was clear. Believers in the NT are either physically alive and 'away from the Lord' or physically dead and "at home with the Lord". Real clear. Did you not consider WHEN Jesus said this? Jesus lived during OT times. the souls of ALL the saved went to Paradise, which is a compartment of Hades. Jesus referred to it as "Abraham's bosom" in the account of Lazarus and the rich man and their deaths. After Jesus' resurrection, He went and "preached to the spirits in prison". 1 Peter 3:19 - in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison, Am I correct to assume you are 7th day adventist? Like I said.I haven't seen where anyone other than Jesus has ascended to heaven. If you find a verse that says curly and moe ascended to heaven ,just quote it . Acts 1 9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; 11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. 12 Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted February 21 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,254 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,983 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted February 21 11 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said: You have already proven you don't know scripture,Your trying to argue without having any knowledge of any subject. This is really getting old.You should try reading the word of God sometime . This is what the word of God says concerning Israel on the day of the Lord This is the kind of thing that gets people put on Moderator Review, where every one of your posts have to be approved before people can see them. Please keep discussions focused on the subject and not on people. If you are trying to convince him he's wrong, that's no way to attempt it for it's just down right offensive, so why should he pay any attention to you at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeGrace Posted February 21 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,462 Content Per Day: 8.07 Reputation: 622 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/07/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted February 21 12 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said: Well,if you want to follow Jason of Cyrene then that would be your choice. Who is he, and why would I care? 12 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said: Just keep in mind Jason taught the abomination of desolation spoken of by Jesus had already been fulfilled. So? Prophecy from the book of Daniel is viewed from many different angles and scholars don't agree. So there is no way anyone can be dogmatic about it. Antiochus IV DID commit an abomination of desolation in 70 AD. I prefer staying with the NT regarding end times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeGrace Posted February 21 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,462 Content Per Day: 8.07 Reputation: 622 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/07/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted February 21 12 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said: FreeGrace said: The evil attack on Oct 7 has solidified the people, from what I've heard. Not concerning the conscription.It was a hot debate before he war and will get worse afterward .It's a very unfair conscription. Bottom line: Israel STILL has a formidable army. Only if they lose their army will I even think about your prediction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeGrace Posted February 21 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,462 Content Per Day: 8.07 Reputation: 622 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/07/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted February 21 12 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said: You have already proven you don't know scripture,Your trying to argue without having any knowledge of any subject. your snarky snippets reveal your soul. 12 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said: This is really getting old.You should try reading the word of God sometime . More snark. How many times a year do you read through the NT? 12 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said: This is what the word of God says concerning Israel on the day of the Lord Amos 5 Did you bring me sacrifices and offerings forty years in the wilderness, people of Israel? 26 You have lifted up the shrine of your king, the pedestal of your idols, the star of your god[b]— which you made for yourselves. 27 Therefore I will send you into exile beyond Damascus,” says the Lord, whose name is God Almighty This exile caused by Israel's idolatry is confirmed zech 14 and the gospel of Jesus Christ. Zech 14 14 A day of the Lord is coming, Jerusalem, when your possessions will be plundered and divided up within your very walls. 2 I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city Mathew ,8:11-12 I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” And what is your point with all of this? 12 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said: The bible is full.of evidence.Try studying sometimes and spend less time arguing . More snarkiness. Seems you have a lot of it to "share". 12 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said: All of this for Donald Trump. seriously. Actually, none of what you post is "for Trump". That is absurd. Most likely he won't be elected or not even on the ballot. 12 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said: I'm done Good. No need for all that snarkiness and prophetic errors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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