backontrack Posted January 23 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 139 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,213 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 185 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/10/2006 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 23 1 minute ago, Renskedejonge said: Yes in my church they always said: Everyone has received the measure of faith, the same measure, like a mustard seed and you can train that like a muscle. Peter first started to sink. 3 years later people were getting healed in his shadow. For that one moment he took his eyes off of Jesus and looked through earthly eyes. I think today that happens a whole lot! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted January 23 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,231 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,954 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Online Share Posted January 23 1 minute ago, backontrack said: Without the Holy Spirit we can do nothing nor can we be saved. With the Holy Spirit, we can get through anything this world throws at us. Without the Holy Spirit, we are messed up from the start. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backontrack Posted January 23 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 139 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,213 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 185 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/10/2006 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 23 3 minutes ago, other one said: With the Holy Spirit, we can get through anything this world throws at us. Without the Holy Spirit, we are messed up from the start. Jesus did not start his Ministery without it, remember when John Baptized Jesus! The Holy Spirit came down upon him then he went into the wilderness! We will have the same experience as well except we have Jesus at our back he had the Father. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted January 23 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,871 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 2,765 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted January 23 3 minutes ago, other one said: With the Holy Spirit, we can get through anything this world throws at us. Without the Holy Spirit, we are messed up from the start. We are saved by the blood of the Slain Lamb of God who is Jesus Christ who died for the forgiveness of our sins and the sins of the whole world. Everyone's sins are forgiven in the same way by believing in Jesus Christ that he died for the forgiveness of our sins. Our sins are forgiven when we believe in him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backontrack Posted January 23 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 139 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,213 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 185 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/10/2006 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 23 2 minutes ago, backontrack said: Jesus did not start his Ministery without it, remember when John Baptized Jesus! The Holy Spirit came down upon him then he went into the wilderness! We will have the same experience as well except we have Jesus at our back he had the Father. Course Jesus and the Father are one so we have it all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted January 23 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,871 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 2,765 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted January 23 3 minutes ago, backontrack said: Jesus did not start his Ministery without it, remember when John Baptized Jesus! The Holy Spirit came down upon him then he went into the wilderness! We will have the same experience as well except we have Jesus at our back he had the Father. Now you are talking about a different matter about the ministry of Jesus Christ. And we were talking about John 3:16. And why you are not accepting John 3:16 at face value? Are not your sins forgiven by believing in Jesus Christ that he died for the forgiveness of your sins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted January 23 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,871 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 2,765 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted January 23 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Renskedejonge said: That's not true. The parents of Corrie ten Boom did not believe that they were healed by His stripes. Her mother was often sick. They were reformed. But they were surely saved. They had fruit. That's the proof. Her sister was very sick. She died of sicknesses in a concentration camp and forgave the SS guards. One woman beat her up because she couldn't work fast and she just prayed for her. No hate whatsoever. Her face shone like an angel when she died. Believing that we are healed by His stripes or not has nothing to do with being saved. You can turn it around: hey you believe you are saved. Why not also believe you are healed by His stripes? Faith comes by hearing His Word. If you only hear that you are saved you only believe that. If you build your faith by reading and listening to healing texts, you get faith for that too. Correi was correct and she gave a valid point that no one can refute. If that was the correct interpretation of Esaiah 53: about receiving the stripes and the marks of the stripes on his back testify that he was punished and the scripture says that it was perceived that he was punished by God when he was not Eve though God let it happen because the scripture says that he was made the propritiation for the punishment of our sins. He was punished in our place so we will not punished. This has to be read together with the Law in the Sinai Covenant where the Sinners were punished by God even punished with death and it has to be seen in the light of the New Covenant in Jesus Christ that there is no more a tooth against a tooth and an eye against an eye in the Covenant of Jesus Christ in the New Covenant. God will not punished any one for his disobedience or his sins NEVER. We are healed from the punishment of the sting of death of the Serpent by believing in Jesus Christ in a similar way when the people in the dessert who were beaten by the Serpents were dying and were healed when they looked upon the Bronze Serpent who was lifted up on the wooden post. Edited January 23 by Your closest friendnt 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted January 23 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,871 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 2,765 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted January 23 @Renskedejonge Below I copy and paste the scriptures in Esaiah 53:5-6 and are self explanatory. Esaiah 53:5-6 5 But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was on him, and by his wounds we are healed. 6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to our own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted January 23 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,871 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 2,765 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted January 23 @Renskedejonge the Holy Spirit gives the witness in the heart of anyone who believes in Jesus Christ only that he is in the Heavenly Father and that is after they believe in Jesus Christ and their sins are forgiven in Jesus Christ. They may or may not believe in God before they believe in Jesus Christ but the Holy Spirit gives them the witness that they are in God only after they believe in Jesus Christ. Only through Jesus Christ the Heavenly Father has children. Jesus Christ is the way to Heaven to the Heavenly Father. This is why we say Jesus Christ was the first he was the one who open the door to Heavenly Father. Jesus also talked about Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and the descendants of Jacob who were gathered to Abraham that God has given all of them to him. They also believe in Jesus Christ when Jesus went to them after his death on the Cross. The scripture says that they were the first ones Jesus Christ went to right after his death. The scripture also says that the ancestors of Abraham and we know his genealogy and are not limited only to them but also the other people of God were together with Abraham as Abraham at his death was gathered to them and all of them were included in Jesus Christ. Jesus said all that God had he gave them to him so Jesus can be all in all his preeminence about everything 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael37 Posted January 23 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 244 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 7,001 Content Per Day: 3.28 Reputation: 4,917 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Online Birthday: 09/23/1954 Share Posted January 23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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