Rapture

[Guest douggarb]

What are some of the scriptures that foretell the rapture? I have looked and have not had much success. It seems that there is the need to put several scriptrues togather to get this idea. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks

In his love douggarb

[Dad Ernie]

What are some of the scriptures that foretell the rapture? I have looked and have not had much success. It seems that there is the need to put several scriptrues togather to get this idea.

Greetings Doug Garb,

Well, in actuality, there is ONLY one place that can be said to refer to "a" rapture. All the rest that pertain to the saints going to be with the Lord at his 2nd coming likely refer to the "resurrection".

1 Thess 4:15-17 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

In the Greek:

726 harpazo {har-pad'-zo}

from a derivative of 138; TDNT - 1:472,80; v

AV - catch up 4, take by force 3, catch away 2, pluck 2,

catch 1, pull 1; 13

1) to seize, carry off by force

2) to seize on, claim for one's self eagerly

3) to snatch out or away

In the Latin, I believe the word is "rapturo", where we get the word "rapture" from, meaning of course, the above word "harpazo".

You can see in the Thes. verses, that it occurs AFTER the resurrection, to ONLY THOSE WHO ARE ALIVE AND REMAIN, in other words, there will remain only a few Christians who are left alive AFTER the resurrection who will be RAPTURED.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[irishcowboy]

ummmm

not to start a mess or anything, but if a person were to do a search on the worthy boards, i would spect they would find many threads that deal with the rapture, pre, mid and post trib..... and many many of the posts on these threads would have scripture to go right along with them....

have fun...

mike

[MK202002]

here are some (NIV version)

All of Mathew 24 gives insight to the sequence of very last days; key rapture scripture is

Mathew 24:30-31: At that time the sign of the Son of Man will apear in the sky and all the nations of the earth will mourn They will see the sone on Man coming on the clouds of the sky with tpoweer and great glory. And he hill send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the 4 winds, from one end of heaven to the other

Mathew 24:40-41 Two men will be in the field, one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be ginding in the mill; one will be taken and the other left.

Rev 11:11-12 But after three and a half days a breath of life entered them, and they stood on their feet, and terror struck those who saw them. Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, 'Come up here', And they went up to heaven in a cloud, while their enimies looked on.

Jude 1:14 "Enoch the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: ' See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousds of his holy ones, to judge everyone, and to convict all the ungodly of all the ungodly acts they have done in the ungodly way, and all the harsh words ungodly sinners have spoken against him".

1Thess 4:15 According to the Lords own word, we tell you that we who are left till the coming of the Lord will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air And so we will be with the Lord forever.

2Thess 2:1 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers, not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the day of the Lord has already come.

These are only some of them, sorry I will post more later...I got to go to bed! MK202002

[2nd2n1roc]

here are some (NIV version)

All of Mathew 24 gives insight to the sequence of very last days; key rapture scripture is

Mathew 24:30-31: At that time the sign of the Son of Man will apear in the sky and all the nations of the earth will mourn They will see the sone on Man coming on the clouds of the sky with tpoweer and great glory. And he hill send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the 4 winds, from one end of heaven to the other

Mathew 24:40-41 Two men will be in the field, one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be ginding in the mill; one will be taken and the other left.

Rev 11:11-12 But after three and a half days a breath of life entered them, and they stood on their feet, and terror struck those who saw them. Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, 'Come up here', And they went up to heaven in a cloud, while their enimies looked on.

Jude 1:14 "Enoch the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: ' See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousds of his holy ones, to judge everyone, and to convict all the ungodly of all the ungodly acts they have done in the ungodly way, and all the harsh words ungodly sinners have spoken against him".

1Thess 4:15 According to the Lords own word, we tell you that we who are left till the coming of the Lord will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air And so we will be with the Lord forever.

2Thess 2:1 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers, not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the day of the Lord has already come.

These are only some of them, sorry I will post more later...I got to go to bed! MK202002

elevation to the cloud on which is Son of Man is just metaphore for spiritual ressurection,

when people with Holy Siprit will be @ the sam level, above spirit of those " who'll stay

below " Phisycally they'll all end up here on the grounds of New Jerusalem.

That's rapture, only the most important thing that can happen' to a man. That's when your

lucky number will be called. Either you have it or you don't, if you don't, then meaning of your life is identical to one of someone, who was never born.

[rollinTHUNDER]

elevation to the cloud on which is Son of Man is just metaphore for spiritual ressurection,

when people with Holy Siprit will be @ the sam level, above spirit of those " who'll stay

below " Phisycally they'll all end up here on the grounds of New Jerusalem.

That's rapture, only the most important thing that can happen' to a man. That's when your

lucky number will be called. Either you have it or you don't, if you don't, then meaning of your life is identical to one of someone, who was never born.

Sounds like you believe in some type of spiritual lottery?

But don't be surprised when some day millions of believers suddenly come up missing. These are the ones that are waiting for their master to return for them just as He promised, to receive them to the place that He has been preparing for them.

[2nd2n1roc]

Sounds like you believe in some type of spiritual lottery?

I don't believe, I know. Word says " and everyone who calls on the name of the Lord

will be saved. "

But don't be surprised when some day millions of believers suddenly come up missing. These are the ones that are waiting for their master to return for them just as He promised, to receive them to the place that He has been preparing for them.

Surprised ? Not millions, but billions will end up missing, forever .

resistance is useless

[irishcowboy]

areyou trying to teach universalism?????

not every one that enters a church and says Jesus will enter.....

not all believers will enter....

satan believes, and satans destiny is set.... he is doomed....

there will be some that will say Lord have we not done this and that and other.... havent i cast out demons, didnt i heal the sick, didnt I do this, didnt I do that in your name????

and the Lord will tell them begone.......

their focus is not on the Lord but on themselves.....

just as the rich man, who kept all the laws, but still lacked one thing, and that is he would not give up his wealth to follow Christ....

a person has to follow.....

not everyone that claims to be Christian will go either.....

what most people consider to be a Christian, is some one that is not jewish, muslim hindu, buhdist, j.w. and other religions....

a person can do all the right things, sa y all the right things and even dress like they are doing the right thing, but..... if they do not have it in their heart..... all that good is worthless.... if they sre doing it for themselves, then it is worthless.....

many people will receive their rewards here on this earth.... some are storing up their treasures here.... others are stockpiling them with the Lord....

not all that say Lord Lord willl see eternal life.....

mike

[Franky67]

Well, in actuality, there is ONLY one place that can be said to refer to "a" rapture.

I believe this is another description of the rapture

I really believe this scripture below speaks of a second appearance of Jesus to those who are eagerly awaiting Him.

Also He comes to save, but not from our sins, but from the wrath to come. ie, he comes without reference to sin.

Notice also that this is the second appearance of Christ, an appearance, not a second coming, which indicates that this appearance is before the time of His coming, as described in revelation 19:11

Sequence I believe is:

1. Christ comes to earth born of a virgin to die for the sins of the world.

2. He appears in the air, and those who eagerly await Him will be with Him

3. He comes as in Revelation chapters 19, and 20 to rule and reign on earth for a thousand years.

Hebrews 9:28

"So Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him."

Edited November 8, 2005 by Franky67

[yomotalking]

ummmm

not to start a mess or anything, but if a person were to do a search on the worthy boards, i would spect they would find many threads that deal with the rapture, pre, mid and post trib..... and many many of the posts on these threads would have scripture to go right along with them....

have fun...

mike

Too long.

My eyes hurt after reading so much after a while!