RdJ Posted April 2 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 66 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,128 Content Per Day: 0.36 Reputation: 640 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/11/2015 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/25/1970 Share Posted April 2 4 minutes ago, TrueFollowerOfChrist said: I'm not sure that people in the Old Testament are either automatically condemned or justified. In Romans it says we will be judged by how much light we had or knowledge we rejected. So people who had very little if any knowledge would be judged very less than us who have no excuse at all. I still believe that those who never heard of Jesus or Hell will still be judged, but it will be based on what they DID know of God from creation and consciousness than from what they didn't know. Just my 2 cents. And that servant who knew his master’s will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few. For everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required; and to whom much has been committed, of him they will ask the more. Luke 12:47-48 NKJV https://bible.com/bible/114/luk.12.47-48.NKJV 14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, 15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) 16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel. Romans 2 And even if they lived bad you never know. Ian McCormack got saved just before he died because God told his mother to pray for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Alive Posted April 2 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,024 Content Per Day: 1.33 Reputation: 1,224 Days Won: 3 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted April 2 17 minutes ago, TrueFollowerOfChrist said: So do you believe in annihilationism? That there is no Hell and people who don't go to Heaven will simply cease to exist? Yes. It's all covered in detail in the link in my sig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted April 2 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,171 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,900 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted April 2 2 hours ago, TrueFollowerOfChrist said: I'm not sure that people in the Old Testament are either automatically condemned or justified. In Romans it says we will be judged by how much light we had or knowledge we rejected. So people who had very little if any knowledge would be judged very less than us who have no excuse at all. I still believe that those who never heard of Jesus or Hell will still be judged, but it will be based on what they DID know of God from creation and consciousness than from what they didn't know. Just my 2 cents. Keep in mind that Adam and Eve understood they shouldn't be naked and covered themselves before God even saw them. Everyone has that inner voice that understands right from wrong. I am hoping that the Lord considers how people respond to that little voice come judgement day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted April 2 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 107 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,823 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 4,812 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted April 2 3 hours ago, TrueFollowerOfChrist said: I'm not sure that people in the Old Testament are either automatically condemned or justified. In Romans it says we will be judged by how much light we had or knowledge we rejected. So people who had very little if any knowledge would be judged very less than us who have no excuse at all. I still believe that those who never heard of Jesus or Hell will still be judged, but it will be based on what they DID know of God from creation and consciousness than from what they didn't know. Just my 2 cents. The half-brother of Jesus Christ, James, - in his book of the Bible that bears his name lists two Old Testament people that explains what you are asking about. Both Abraham and Rahab he said are examples of FAITH. Old Testament people were made righteous by faith alone. [1] Abraham believed what God said. [2] Rahab believe what was said ABOUT God. Lots of people in the OT were righteous because of their faith, not their works. Works came secondary. This was true of both Jews and Gentiles. [1] Noah, [2] Moses, [3] Pharoah's officials after the 7th plague, [4] Caleb the Kennizite, [5] Ruth the Moabite, [6] David, [7] the people of Nineveh, and a whole lot more. It's faith first and faith demonstrated by actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueFollowerOfChrist Posted April 3 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,039 Content Per Day: 1.61 Reputation: 589 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/26/2022 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 3 On 4/2/2024 at 2:05 PM, Still Alive said: Yes. It's all covered in detail in the link in my sig. In your Sig? Sorry but I didn't know what that means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael37 Posted April 3 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 243 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 6,974 Content Per Day: 3.28 Reputation: 4,889 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1954 Share Posted April 3 1 minute ago, TrueFollowerOfChrist said: In your Sig? Sorry but I didn't know what that means. Sig = Signature. These show at the bottom of our posts if we have created them through our profile page. There is an option to turn them off so we don't see them on other members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis1209 Posted April 3 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 347 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,481 Content Per Day: 2.70 Reputation: 5,384 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/27/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted April 3 On 4/2/2024 at 2:50 PM, TrueFollowerOfChrist said: Excellent job with scripture there. It's true that we are judged by the amount of knowledge or "light" we have. If the Old Testament Jews had no knowledge of Hell, they would be less accountable than we are today. They also didn't yet know about Jesus as we do today. That's why Jesus told the people of Capernaum that their judgement would be WORSE than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. I suspect the standard for those that never heard of Jesus or the Gospel, or in OT times is as follows. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: (Romans 1:20) As was mentioned, every person receives a certain amount of truth. It seems to be what is done when presented truth. And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart. (Jeremiah 29:13) I do not believe in purgatory or annihilation; the Bible is so clear on that. Our God is a Trinity, we were created as tripart beings, consisting of body, soul, and spirit. Two brief examples: And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. (1 Thessalonians 5:23) Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. (Ecclesiastes 12:7) Another possibly related question to ponder. Why is there no mention of devils, unclean spirits, evil spirits, demons, or necromancy before Noah’s flood? Abraham was a pagan, through faith Abraham was justified, and he believed God, it was counted toward Abraham as justification, as he put that belief into practice (works). With few exceptions, people are born with an instinct and sense of right and wrong, young children display and test their parents all the time. The accumulation of sin eventually sears the inborn sense of right and wrong. My two pennies worff... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NConly Posted April 3 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,335 Content Per Day: 2.79 Reputation: 614 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/11/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted April 3 47 minutes ago, Dennis1209 said: Abraham was a pagan, through faith Abraham was justified, and he believed God, it was counted toward Abraham as justification, as he put that belief into practice (works). Would it be correct to say all were pagan before Abram became Abraham? Or were there followers of God at that time that may have known Abram as he grew up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Alive Posted April 4 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,024 Content Per Day: 1.33 Reputation: 1,224 Days Won: 3 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted April 4 (edited) 18 hours ago, TrueFollowerOfChrist said: In your Sig? Sorry but I didn't know what that means. My signature. The stuff that appears below all my posts. (look below) Edited April 4 by Still Alive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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