TrueFollowerOfChrist Posted April 12 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,049 Content Per Day: 1.61 Reputation: 595 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/26/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted April 12 21 minutes ago, SavedOnebyGrace said: That's a term @HAZARD has used before when he distinguishes between it (Lucifer's Flood) and Noah's Flood. I see it as the flood caused by the Younger-Dryas ice age melt approximately 12,000 to 13,000 years ago as determined by ice cores. Evidence is shown by flood damage to the Spinx in Egypt and the Grand Canyon in the USA. Sorry to butt in, but could you tell me where scripture mentions a Lucifer's flood? I have only ever seen Noah's flood in Scripture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavedOnebyGrace Posted April 12 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 4,059 Content Per Day: 14.39 Reputation: 5,193 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/30/2023 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 12 (edited) 58 minutes ago, TrueFollowerOfChrist said: Sorry to butt in, but could you tell me where scripture mentions a Lucifer's flood? I have only ever seen Noah's flood in Scripture. https://www.compellingtruth.org/lucifers-flood.html Lucifer's Flood Lucifer's Flood the Katabole Noah's Flood flood destroyed people. Lucifer's Flood destroyed fallen angels. The Bible is written for people, not angels. Edited April 12 by SavedOnebyGrace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted April 12 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,221 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,945 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted April 12 59 minutes ago, TrueFollowerOfChrist said: I could always be wrong. I developed that talent when i was very young. At 77 now, not so much. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted April 12 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,221 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,945 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted April 12 1 hour ago, SavedOnebyGrace said: That's a term @HAZARD has used before when he distinguishes between it (Lucifer's Flood) and Noah's Flood. I see it as the flood caused by the Younger-Dryas ice age melt approximately 12,000 to 13,000 years ago as determined by ice cores. Evidence is shown by flood damage to the Spinx in Egypt and the Grand Canyon in the USA. I am familiar with the happening, just not the terminology. G. H. Pember wrote about that in the late 1800s. (Earth's Earliest Ages) Hebrew scholars tell me that isn't what the Bible really says, however I have always been open to it for it fits into what I see in nature and doesn't disrupt the overall story of the Bible. I think it is in my Kindle Library. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RdJ Posted April 12 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 67 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,147 Content Per Day: 0.37 Reputation: 647 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/11/2015 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/25/1970 Share Posted April 12 6 hours ago, TrueFollowerOfChrist said: The ice age did not occur in Genesis 1. It occurred during Noah's flood when the waters were covering the entire Earth. I'm not a scientist so I don't claim to understand why certain parts of the ocean were frozen, but they obviously were. Noah's flood occurred approximately 5,000 years ago, so there's my two cents on the matter. It must have happened after Noah's flood because just like flood stories there are also stories from Aboriginals and France that the sealevel was way lower and they could walk to islands. https://theconversation.com/ancient-aboriginal-stories-preserve-history-of-a-rise-in-sea-level-36010 https://hakaimagazine.com/news/memories-of-the-end-of-the-last-ice-age-from-those-who-were-there/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeGrace Posted April 13 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,453 Content Per Day: 8.13 Reputation: 615 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/07/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted April 13 2 hours ago, TrueFollowerOfChrist said: Well you know I have my doubts about the whole gap thing in Genesis 1. I don't. The meaning of "tohu wabohu" in Gen 1:2 is very clear from all the occurrences of "tohu" in the OT plus where the 3 times "wabohu" is added. 2 hours ago, TrueFollowerOfChrist said: However even if your correct on that, it seems to me that water covering the earth for an entire year would melt any previous ice that would have been there. Why does it "seem that way" to you? What's the basis? And what's the basis for 1 year? And the depth of the ice pack could could completely cover the whole earth, mountains and all. 2 hours ago, TrueFollowerOfChrist said: Plus there's no mention at all in Genesis that such I've existed. No mention of what, exactly? An ice age? Why would there be? It all happened before God restored the earth for man's use, so isn't relevant or applicable for man. I believe that is why God left out all details of who, why and how the earth became an uninhabitable wasteland (tohu wabohu). 2 hours ago, TrueFollowerOfChrist said: The oldest text that actually mentions an ice age is in the book of Job which many scholars believe was written around Abraham's time. It's impossible to be dogmatic on the subject because there's not enough information to know for sure. I'm just giving my opinion. I could always be wrong. Anybody could be wrong about what the Bible doesn't say. All we have is what the Bible does say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavedOnebyGrace Posted April 13 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 4,059 Content Per Day: 14.39 Reputation: 5,193 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/30/2023 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 13 (edited) 6 hours ago, other one said: I am familiar with the happening, just not the terminology. G. H. Pember wrote about that in the late 1800s. (Earth's Earliest Ages) Hebrew scholars tell me that isn't what the Bible really says, however I have always been open to it for it fits into what I see in nature and doesn't disrupt the overall story of the Bible. I think it is in my Kindle Library. The Hebrew scholars also believe Jesus is not the Christ. I have Pember's book but haven't read it. I have read an assortment of Christian authors like Heisler, John Stott, Walter Kaiser, Norman Geisler, William Dembski, J.I. Packer, J.P. Moreland, Philip E. Johnson, Chuck Colson, Wayne Grudem, as well the late Francis Schaefer and Old Testament scholar Gleason Archer, et al. Notable Christians Open to an Old Earth Edited April 13 by SavedOnebyGrace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted April 13 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,297 Content Per Day: 7.99 Reputation: 21,504 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted April 13 When was the ice age... right up and to the freezer quit working... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeGrace Posted April 13 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,453 Content Per Day: 8.13 Reputation: 615 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/07/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted April 13 9 hours ago, SavedOnebyGrace said: The Hebrew scholars also believe Jesus is not the Christ. I have Pember's book but haven't read it. I have read an assortment of Christian authors like Heisler, John Stott, Walter Kaiser, Norman Geisler, William Dembski, J.I. Packer, J.P. Moreland, Philip E. Johnson, Chuck Colson, Wayne Grudem, as well the late Francis Schaefer and Old Testament scholar Gleason Archer, et al. Notable Christians Open to an Old Earth Wow. Thanks for the list! Very impressive. I onder if all the derogatories, insults, etc that rv has been slinging at me will not be slung at that rather long list of dignitaries as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted April 13 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,221 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,945 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted April 13 10 hours ago, SavedOnebyGrace said: I have Pember's book but haven't read it. You should read it. I hadn't read it in a very long time, so I dug it out of my Kindle library and started reading again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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