Physics versus Metaphysics

[RV_Wizard]

On 6/19/2024 at 9:29 PM, Scott Free said:

It always puts me into a state of awe just perceiving what little we know.

Truly, we serve an awesome God.

[The Barbarian]

You should believe Him.

On 6/18/2024 at 8:57 PM, RV_Wizard said:

Jesus we believe. 

If you actually do, you will admit that the way God decides your eternal home is the way you treat the less fortunate.  That's what Jesus says.

Matthew 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left.  34 Then shall the king say to them that shall be on his right hand: Come, ye blessed of my Father, possess you the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.  35 For I was hungry, and you gave me to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me to drink; I was a stranger, and you took me in:

 36 Naked, and you covered me: sick, and you visited me: I was in prison, and you came to me.  37 Then shall the just answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry, and fed thee; thirsty, and gave thee drink?  38 And when did we see thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and covered thee?  39 Or when did we see thee sick or in prison, and came to thee?  40 And the king answering, shall say to them: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it to one of these my least brethren, you did it to me.

Your salvation depends on it.

 

[RV_Wizard]

4 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

That's what Jesus says.

When I want a lesson from the Bible I'll ask someone who actually believes in it; not a pretender.

[The Barbarian]

That's what Jesus says.

12 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

When I want a lesson from the Bible I'll ask someone who actually believes in it; not a pretender.

He's the Author.    I'd believe Him, if I were you.

Matthew 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left.  34 Then shall the king say to them that shall be on his right hand: Come, ye blessed of my Father, possess you the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.  35 For I was hungry, and you gave me to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me to drink; I was a stranger, and you took me in:

 36 Naked, and you covered me: sick, and you visited me: I was in prison, and you came to me.  37 Then shall the just answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry, and fed thee; thirsty, and gave thee drink?  38 And when did we see thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and covered thee?  39 Or when did we see thee sick or in prison, and came to thee?  40 And the king answering, shall say to them: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it to one of these my least brethren, you did it to me.

Edited June 26, 2024 by The Barbarian

[RV_Wizard]

11 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

He's the Author. 

John 3:16-21 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.  For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.  He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.  For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.  But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

John 6: No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

John 14:6  I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Ephesians 2:8-10  For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.  For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Acts 16:30-31 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?  And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

We are saved by nothing other than grace.  Again, you should actually read the Bible, not just websites that attack it.

[The Barbarian]

32 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said:

We are saved by nothing other than grace. 

Well, let's see what Jesus says...

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Matthew 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left.  34 Then shall the king say to them that shall be on his right hand: Come, ye blessed of my Father, possess you the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.  35 For I was hungry, and you gave me to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me to drink; I was a stranger, and you took me in:

 36 Naked, and you covered me: sick, and you visited me: I was in prison, and you came to me.  37 Then shall the just answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry, and fed thee; thirsty, and gave thee drink?  38 And when did we see thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and covered thee?  39 Or when did we see thee sick or in prison, and came to thee?  40 And the king answering, shall say to them: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it to one of these my least brethren, you did it to me.

James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God. Thou dost well: the devils also believe and tremble.  20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, offering up Isaac his son upon the altar?  22 Seest thou, that faith did co-operate with his works; and by works faith was made perfect?  23 And the scripture was fulfilled, saying: Abraham believed God, and it was reputed to him to justice, and he was called the friend of God.  24 Do you see that by works a man is justified; and not by faith only?

You best believe Him in everything He says.   Don't be a cafeteria Christian.

 

[RV_Wizard]

9 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

You best believe Him in everything He says

You do so like to pick and choose things that seem to agree with you without understanding them.

We are saved by grace through accepting Jesus as our Lord and Savior.  We are JUSTIFIED by works.  Being saved means you won't go to Hell, but you will still give an accounting to Jesus for the things you have done for Him or against Him.

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.  What does that mean?  It means more than giving lip service and claiming to believe.  The will of the Father is that you accept and serve the Son.  One might ask you how coming to a Christian website and trying to convince people the Bible isn't true so you can preach the false religion of evolution is doing the will of the Father.  You have until you die to come up with that answer.

For I was hungry, and you gave me to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me to drink; I was a stranger, and you took me in... I didn't see anything about misquoting the Bible to save me from believing I was created by God in that list.  It's about loving your neighbor as Jesus loved us, and showing kindness to those who cannot give you anything in between.

9 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

Was not Abraham our father justified by works,

Abraham did not have Jesus as his savior because Jesus had not yet come.  He was under the old covenant.  Abraham was a Godly man, but he also fathered a child with his wife's handmaid.  Even the most righteous of us have a sinful nature.  You absolutely cannot enter Heaven covered in sin.  The ONLY forgiveness of sin comes from the blood of Jesus Christ.  You can't burn a lamb on the altar today.  We are under the new covenant.  Nobody comes to the Father but by Jesus.

[The Barbarian]

6 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

We are saved by grace through accepting Jesus as our Lord and Savior.  We are JUSTIFIED by works. 

Romans 5:1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.

James 2:24 Do you see that by works a man is justified; and not by faith only?

You seem a little confused about what "justification by faith and by works" means.

God tells you in some detail in Matthew 25 how He will decide if you will spend eternity with him or with the devil and his angels.  

Matthew 25:41 Then he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand: Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels.  42 For I was hungry, and you gave me not to eat: I was thirsty, and you gave me not to drink.  43 I was a stranger, and you took me not in: naked, and you covered me not: sick and in prison, and you did not visit me.  44 Then they also shall answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister to thee?  45 Then he shall answer them, saying: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it not to one of these least, neither did you do it to me.

 46 And these shall go into everlasting punishment: but the just, into life everlasting.

Choose wisely.

 

[RV_Wizard]

5 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

You seem a little confused about what "justification by faith and by works" means.

Again, if I want to learn something about the Bible, the last person I would ask would be someone who doesn't believe in it and teaches his own false religion.

[The Barbarian]

16 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said:

Again, if I want to learn something about the Bible, the last person I would ask would be someone who doesn't believe in it

You could do that for yourself, after all.

16 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said:

and teaches his own false religion.

Technically, YE creationism is an error, not a false religion.    It's not even limited to one religion.    It's much more popular with Muslims than with Christians, for obvious reasons.

It may be tempting to dismiss Yahya as a crackpot, but he runs a sophisticated media operation, with perhaps several hundred members, that distributes books, articles, videos, and Web sites around the Muslim world. Two years ago he mailed, unsolicited, a visually stunning 13-pound, 800-page Atlas of Creation to at least 10,000 scientists, doctors, museums, and research centers in Europe and the United States. The cost of this publicity stunt, if that’s what it was, had to be staggering.
 

The great mystery is where Yahya’s Science Research Foundation gets its money. No one knows, though speculation runs from Saudi donors to wealthy Turks whose children have joined the secretive group. Whoever funds it, the organization seems to have the kind of wealth and influence that Christian creationists can only dream of. Yahya’s teachings aren’t confined to a religious subculture in Turkey. They’re part of the mainstream.

Creationist stories are now popping up in Turkish high-school science textbooks, and some government officials in the AKP, the ruling Islamic party, freely criticize evolution. In Ankara, the government’s point man on religious issues, Mehmet Gormez, told me, “All the holy texts say human beings are created by God. I think evolutionary theory is not scientific, but ideological.”

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2009/10/meet-harun-yahya-the-leading-creationist-in-the-muslim-world.html

Of course, some political leaders in America are also open to YE creationism, if not active advocates of the movement.

 

 

Edited June 27, 2024 by The Barbarian