Physics versus Metaphysics

[RV_Wizard]

9 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

Notice that it supports evolutionary theory, but it is not part of evolutionary theory,

1. Did I say evolution websites claim common descent?  Yes.

2. Do evolution websites claim common descent?  Yes.

3. Did you deny that evolution claims common descent?  Yes.

Therefore, you either don't know evolution or you are deliberately misrepresenting it.

9 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

God says that living things were brought forth by non-living matter.  

No, He doesn't and we all know that He doesn't.  God wrote by His own hand, For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it.  You are straight up lying when you say God used evolution and millions of years.  He used six days.  Land animals were created in one.

9 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

Darwin's theory:

Darwin's original theory is not the same as modern evolution theory.  We all know this.  Stop with the false teaching.

9 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

but that's the foundation of  YE creationism

You're straight up lying.  Creation wasn't questioned for 57 centuries.  Adam knew God created him.  Noah knew, Moses knew, Jesus and the disciples knew, and those of us who believe the Bible know today.

9 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

Since the text itself says the "yom" of creation were not literal 24-hour days,

I doubt you would ever find a single Hebrew scholar who would believe that lie.  You've been shown the truth many times, and yet you continue the lie.  Why do you think that is?

9 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

Racism just isn't one of them,

So there are no evolution believers who are racist?  Are you delusional?

Seriously, you need therapy.

[The Barbarian]

57 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said:

No, He doesn't and we all know that He doesn't. 

Notice that it supports evolutionary theory, but it is not part of evolutionary theory.  Just as chemistry supports evolutionary theory but is not part of evolutionary theory.

57 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said:

Did I say evolution websites claim common descent?  Yes.

You said that common descent is part of evolutionary theory.  Evolutionary websites accept the findings of chemistry that purines link with pyrimidines to form DNA.     They accept the findings of genetics that the evidence shows there was a common ancestor to life on Earth.   Neither of these are part of evolutionary theory.

57 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said:

Did you deny that evolution claims common descent? 

Evolution is a natural phenomenon.  It claims nothing.   "Evolutionists" accept the findings of genetics that life on Earth has a common ancestor.   This does not mean that evolutionary theory claims a common ancestor.

God says that living things were brought forth by non-living matter.

57 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said:

  No, He doesn't and we all know that He doesn't. 

Well, let's take a look...

Genesis 1:11 And he said: Let the earth bring forth the green herb, and such as may seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after its kind, which may have seed in itself upon the earth. And it was so done.

So you think the earth is alive?    Probably not.   I suspect you just never knew that God said that living things were brought forth by non-living matter.   If you have a Bible, look it up.

Darwin's theory:
1. More are born than can survive to reproduce.

2. Every individual is somewhat different than its parents.

3. Some of these differences affect the likelihood of surviving to reproduce.

4. Useful differences tend to increase, and harmful ones tend to be removed.

The modern synthesis united geneticists, naturalists and palaeontologists for the first time and laid the foundations for the explosion of research into evolution by natural selection that occurred after the Second World War. The key points that were settled were:

1. Population and Mendel’s principles of genetics are compatible with evolution
2. Evolution occurs by the accumulation of small genetic changes; it is a gradual process in this sense, though can vary in its actual rate
3. Natural selection is the dominant evolutionary force, which works on variation in individuals' characters
4. Evolution occurs within populations, where gene flow and genetic drift can have effects additional to those of selection
5. Evolutionary studies of the fossil record relate to what is observed within species. Evolution within a population is referred to as micro-evolution, the fossil record records macro-evolution which is evolution of species.

As you see, nothing about a common ancestor for all living things on Earth.    Your belief is a common YE superstition, but it's false.

57 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said:

Darwin's original theory is not the same as modern evolution theory.

It's why I showed you Darwin's original theory and evolutionary theory as it is today.   As you knew, neither is about common descent.   I'm guessing you never got to the the second part, and just replied without thinking.

"Yet the prophecy again has its obverse side. Somehow they have only gone so far and no farther. The Japhethites and Semites have, sooner or later, taken over their territories, and their inventions, and then developed them and utilized them for their own enlargement. Often the Hamites, especially the Negroes, have become actual personal servants or even slaves to the others. Possessed of a genetic character concerned mainly with mundane matters, they have eventually been displaced by the intellectual and philosophical acumen of the Japhethites and the religious zeal of the Semites. "

Institute for Creation Research founder Henry Morris, The Beginning of the World

57 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said:

You're straight up lying. 

Nope.  It's a quote from Morris' book.   As I said, many, if not most creationists have abandoned the racist foundations of YE creationism.   But it remains a fact.

Since the text itself says the "yom" of creation were not literal 24-hour days, that's pretty convincing to most Christians.   

57 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said:

I doubt you would ever find a single Hebrew scholar who would believe that lie. 

Philo of Alexandria.  

Maimonides, perhaps the most respected medieval Jewish theologian wrote that it was a mistake to take the yom of Creation as literal 24-hour days.

Old Testament scholar and Hebrew linguist Gleason Archer (1916-2004), a strong advocate for inerrancy, wrote ”On the basis of internal evidence, it is this writer’s conviction that yôm in Genesis could not have been intended by the Hebrew author to mean a literal twenty-four hour day.”

https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justin-taylor/biblical-reasons-to-doubt-the-creation-days-were-24-hour-periods/

You don't seem to know much about Hebrew scholars.

57 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said:

So there are no evolution believers who are racist?  

I'm sure there must be.   I'm just pointing out that evolutionists realize that there are no biological human races today.   Many people can be illogical in their beliefs.  For example, you claim to believe God, but deny that the earth brought forth living things, as God says.

You're not delusional; you're illogical.

 

Edited July 1, 2024 by The Barbarian

[RV_Wizard]

21 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

Well, let's take a look...

Genesis 1:11 And he said: Let the earth bring forth the green herb, and such as may seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after its kind, which may have seed in itself upon the earth. And it was so done.

Genesis 1:12-13 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.  And the evening and the morning were the third day.

Genesis 1:21  And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Genesis 1:25  And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Apparently, you've cut those verses out of your Bible so you can lie about what the Bible teaches.

[The Barbarian]

God says that living things were brought forth by non-living matter.

On 6/30/2024 at 6:40 PM, RV_Wizard said:

No, He doesn't and we all know that He doesn't. 

Well, let's take a look...

Genesis 1:11 And he said: Let the earth bring forth the green herb, and such as may seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after its kind, which may have seed in itself upon the earth. And it was so done.

So you think the earth is alive?    Probably not.   I suspect you just never knew that God said that living things were brought forth by non-living matter.   If you have a Bible, look it up.

1 hour ago, RV_Wizard said:

Genesis 1:12-13 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.  And the evening and the morning were the third day.

Genesis 1:21  And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Genesis 1:25  And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

I see you deleted Genesis 1:24 where God says that the earth brought forth animals.    Did you really think we wouldn't notice?   But you forget to edit out that same thing in the other verses.  That's how He created living things.   Even if you disapprove, that's what He did.  

Let go of your pride and just let it be His way.

 

 

[RV_Wizard]

1 hour ago, The Barbarian said:

God says

I have no reason to suspect that you know anything about God, the Bible, or the truth of God's word.  If you did, you would understand that six days and 3.5 billion years are not the same unit of measurement.

[BeyondET]

8 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

Genesis 1:12-13 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.  And the evening and the morning were the third day.

Genesis 1:21  And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Genesis 1:25  And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Apparently, you've cut those verses out of your Bible so you can lie about what the Bible teaches.

The beast came after his kind, the kind was no beast until after when God made the beast of the earth.

[RV_Wizard]

3 hours ago, BeyondET said:

The beast came after his kind, the kind was no beast until after when God made the beast of the earth.

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.  Satan came up with the theory of evolution to take glory away from God and to give unbelievers a reason for their unbelief.  Nobody can read the Bible and not see that in every reference God is the creator. You can deliberately take verses out of context in a presentation where nobody has the Bible to fact check you, but when your distortion is proven wrong, continuing to promote it is just dishonest.

[The Barbarian]

On 7/1/2024 at 8:04 PM, RV_Wizard said:

I have no reason to suspect that you know anything about God, the Bible, or the truth of God's word. 

I've had to repeatedly show you what God said.    C'mon.  

Jesus that when people help the least among us, they are helping Him, and those people who thereby do the will of the Father will spend eternity with Him.    Deny it if you like, but I would believe Him if I were you.

Not everyone who says "Lord, Lord" will be saved.    He expects more from you than that.    Believe Him before it's too late.

 

[BeyondET]

On 7/2/2024 at 6:59 AM, RV_Wizard said:

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All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 

Yes

On 7/2/2024 at 6:59 AM, RV_Wizard said:

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Satan came up with the theory of evolution to take glory away from God and to give unbelievers a reason for their unbelief. 

What proof do you have for that statement.

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Nobody can read the Bible and not see that in every reference God is the creator.

Yes He is the creator.

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You can deliberately take verses out of context in a presentation where nobody has the Bible to fact check you

You can is that what you do?

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but when your distortion is proven wrong, continuing to promote it is just dishonest.

your opinion isn't proof, you do love to exaggerate and excuse others of being dishonest, which is distorted imo.

Edited July 4, 2024 by BeyondET

[RV_Wizard]

On 7/4/2024 at 6:54 PM, BeyondET said:

your opinion isn't proof, you do love to exaggerate and excuse others of being dishonest, which is distorted imo.

Not true.

Here is one example of dishonesty.

"Genesis 1:11 And he said: Let the earth bring forth the green herb, and such as may seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after its kind, which may have seed in itself upon the earth. And it was so done.

... I suspect you just never knew that God said that living things were brought forth by non-living matter."

The poster uses this verse out of context to promote the Satanic lie of evolution.  What happens if we read further?  We discover that the trees and herbs were, in fact, spoken into existence by God; not over millions of years, but in a single day on the third day of creation.  "And the evening and the morning were the third day."

Further dishonesty comes from using the phrase "And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so" to pretend that the Bible agrees with evolution.  In fact, God created all the land dwelling animals on the sixth day of creation.  Not over billions of years, in one day.  That is what the Bible teaches.  To claim otherwise is a lie.

The Bible clearly teaches a six day creation.  Evolution teaches a creation that took billions of years.  Anyone can see that these claims are in direct contradiction.  Deliberately distorting the Bible to support the lie of evolution is an evil thing.

On 7/4/2024 at 6:54 PM, BeyondET said:

What proof do you have for that statement.

Jesus called Satan the father of lies.  If lies are satanic, and evolution is a lie, then evolution is a satanic lie.

Edited July 7, 2024 by RV_Wizard