Far out/random thoughts on unholy trinity

[Marathoner]

3 hours ago, Vine Abider said:

Are you objecting to the theology or that the Jews would do something like that? Practicing Jews are still stuck in the old Covenant, so doing the sacrifices according to that Covenant make sense for them to start up again. The book of Hebrews was about urging them not to return to the old Covenant practices after they became Christians, but non-believing Jews wouldn't even see that of course. Please clarify your point.

The resumption of temple sacrifices is what I'm referring to, brother. I've never come to that conclusion. There is nothing that remotely suggests that the Lord would return to a such a thing in any capacity, seeing as how such things were only the shadow of Christ.

There's also no distinction of persons by God; this was made clear in the book of Acts (10:34). It doesn't matter who we are in the flesh; all are called to the Son of God. Knowing this, then, I have no idea how anyone comes to the belief that this is somehow not true. That's the premise of dispensationalism as I understand it: that the Lord is, in fact, a respecter of persons. 

Edited May 16, 2024 by Marathoner

[George]

@Vine Abider  I would research the idea that the False Prophet is a claim that "Elijah" has come!  I honestly believe that the FP will simply try and claim that he is the Elijah promised and "announce" the AntiChrist / Beast.

If we are simply going from a Biblical understanding and not speculation, this is something that the Church has not even mentioned or studied, yet it's in plain sight of the Scriptures!

[George]

I did a video on this about 6 months ago ... 

 

[RdJ]

5 hours ago, Marathoner said:

The resumption of temple sacrifices is what I'm referring to, brother. I've never come to that conclusion. There is nothing that remotely suggests that the Lord would return to a such a thing in any capacity, seeing as how such things were only the shadow of Christ.

There's also no distinction of persons by God; this was made clear in the book of Acts (10:34). It doesn't matter who we are in the flesh; all are called to the Son of God. Knowing this, then, I have no idea how anyone comes to the belief that this is somehow not true. That's the premise of dispensationalism as I understand it: that the Lord is, in fact, a respecter of persons. 

But why is that a problem? They are looking for a red heifer. It doesn't say that God will be pleased with this new temple and with the offerings or that it will save them. It's from the antichrist. Go build your temple and do your sacrifices. He arranges world peace. He wants them to believe he's the messiah. 

 

https://www.jewfaq.org/sacrifices_and_offerings

 

When did Jews stop offering sacrifices, and why?

For the most part, the practice of sacrifice stopped in the year 70 C.E., when the Roman army destroyed the Temple in Jerusalem, the place where sacrifices were offered. The practice was briefly resumed during the Jewish War of 132-135 C.E., but was ended permanently after that war was lost. There were also a few communities that continued sacrifices for a while after that time.
 

We stopped offering sacrifices because we do not have a proper place to offer them. The Torah specifically commands us not to offer sacrifices wherever we feel like it; we are only permitted to offer sacrifices in the place that G-d has chosen for that purpose. Deut. 12:13-14. It would be a sin to offer sacrifices in any other place, akin to stealing candles and wine to observe Shabbat.
 

The last place appointed by G-d for this purpose was the Temple in Jerusalem, but the Temple has been destroyed and a mosque has been erected in the place where it stood. Until G-d provides us with another place, we cannot offer sacrifices. There was at one time an opinion that in the absence of an assigned place, we could offer sacrifices anywhere. Based on that opinion, certain communities made their own sacrificial places. However, the majority ultimately ruled against this practice, and all sacrifice ceased.
 

Orthodox Jews believe that when the messiah comes, a place will be provided for sacrificial purposes.
 

Do Jews want to resume sacrifices?

Orthodox Jews do. There are several places in our daily prayer services where we pray for the restoration of the Temple and the resumption of its rituals, including the rituals of sacrifice. The Orthodox Yom Kippur service includes a lengthy recollection of the Temple service, mourns its loss and longs for its restoration. Other movements of Judaism have removed these portions from the liturgy.

Edited May 16, 2024 by RdJ

[RdJ]

Romans 11

For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.

Revelation 12/ Isaiah 66: Israel gets saved, country born in a day. Dragon then goes after her other offspring (rev 13).

I think the uncountable multitude is the fullness of the gentiles that has come in and then he goes sit in the temple and the most stubborn finally see that having a human messiah is idolatry and the partial blindness is gone.

Revelation 13: beast and the mark and christians get killed. No buying and selling. The 2nd beast and the image of the beast, thats the abomination in the temple.

Ken Peters saw a disaster, radiosilence 2 weeks, the ac, tv everywhere with him, then a revival with whole places at once saved (uncountable multitude, fullness of gentiles come in), then he got mad and you needed a mark and christians got killed.

 

Edited May 16, 2024 by RdJ

[BibleStudent100]

On 5/14/2024 at 11:19 AM, Vine Abider said:

With all the talk of AI these days, and also of cyber implants, I wonder if a person (the beast) of this unholy trinity might become a walking AI/internet connected cyborg/human being, who could know and deduce an amazing amount of information in an instant. 

Cyborgs and et al makes for a great novel and is fanciful thinking!  We will have to see.  But, I do believe that the frightening power associated with Generative AI will definitely have an impact upon the End Times.  We all, of course, appreciate the positive assistance from AI (e.g. reading medical scans faster and more accurately than doctors can, etc.), but humans, in general, being controlled by the Devil will find nefarious ways we have yet to even contemplate to use AI to thwart God's message in the Time of the End.

I find the future to be unsettled, EXCEPT that God has a Plan and we trust his Plan, even though the years prior to that will be filled with what Revelation 6:12 and 13 say: "“And the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the entire moon became as blood, and the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as when a fig tree shaken by a high wind casts its unripe figs.” 

[Vine Abider]

15 hours ago, Marathoner said:

The resumption of temple sacrifices is what I'm referring to, brother. I've never come to that conclusion. There is nothing that remotely suggests that the Lord would return to a such a thing in any capacity, seeing as how such things were only the shadow of Christ.

There's also no distinction of persons by God; this was made clear in the book of Acts (10:34). It doesn't matter who we are in the flesh; all are called to the Son of God. Knowing this, then, I have no idea how anyone comes to the belief that this is somehow not true. That's the premise of dispensationalism as I understand it: that the Lord is, in fact, a respecter of persons. 

I find that often the usual arguments both for and against dispensationalism as missing the mark.  And I often find that those of opposing views find some piece of the other's stance to disagree with, and therefore suppose it's all off the mark.  That is, we all like to hold onto neat camps of systematized beliefs that seem to categorize these things neatly.  But that's something (i.e., the whole dispensationalism idea) for probably another discussion . . .

Regarding the Lord returning to such a thing (the OT offerings), I agree they were just a shadow that has passed away with the NT reality of the sacrifice of Christ (and His Spirit dwelling in us, making us His temple).  And I agree that nothing like that old shadow of things would cause Him to return.

But that doesn't preclude the idea that the Jews would reinstitute the OT sacrifices toward the end of the age, and as something the antichrist would facilitate via a treaty with them (as I understand scriptures on the matter). 

[Vipergts]

Maybe it is just me, but I have never understood the issue with OT sacrifices. If God says that a calf with blue eyes would be born, and when the time arrived, it would be a sacrifice to Him, JACKPOT!! God has always been the sacrifice. What am I searching for? God. What am I caring for? God. What is on my mind from when I wake until the time I go to sleep? God. It had to stay healthy, and alive, just like a relationship with God. It never becomes stale in a cycle, calf number one has different needs from calf number two. No matter what happens, that calf has to be a top priority, which is God. Like I said, could be just me, but evil seems extremely limited when the focus is on a need for God.