Breaking with tradition

[Marathoner]

1 hour ago, Anne2 said:

This, I would have to disagree with. Some do, and I have had many discussions with those that have. And some teach "oral law" of the Pharisees to boot. IMO, could be harmful to the gospel to the Jew's.

Understood, but insofar as we in the Body are concerned, many don't. I've encountered preachers of the Law before as well. 

[farouk]

2 hours ago, Anne2 said:

This, I would have to disagree with. Some do, and I have had many discussions with those that have. And some teach "oral law" of the Pharisees to boot. IMO, could be harmful to the gospel to the Jew's.

Hi @Anne2 Sometimes advocates of episcopacy say, regarding 2 Thessalonians 2.15:

" Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle"...;

they say, Because there are oral traditions, and because the bishops and the archbishops must know, therefore this proves that we don't have to go by what the Bible says necessarily but instead by what the church says about the Bible.

(Not convincing...)

 

[farouk]

Galatians 3.24-25:

"Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

²⁵ But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster."

[Anne2]

5 hours ago, farouk said:

Hi @Anne2 Sometimes advocates of episcopacy say, regarding 2 Thessalonians 2.15:

" Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle"...;

they say, Because there are oral traditions, and because the bishops and the archbishops must know, therefore this proves that we don't have to go by what the Bible says necessarily but instead by what the church says about the Bible.

(Not convincing...)

 

Well there was tradition handed down. Especially concerning passover (eucharist). We know there was a dispute early on in the Church concerning the 14th day. What is interesting BOTH, claimed to be following TRADITION kept by their respective apostles. I just recently learned of the way jew's used a form of inclusive counting when it came to the feast days. They actually considered the night of the 15th calendar day (in judaism the day began at night), to still be the 14th day. So the 14th day liturgically had two nights! They did so liturgically due to the daily sacrifices of morn and evening being a day. 

The rest of the days also has the night following the day. as well

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 11:57 PM by Anne2

[In1]

On 6/13/2025 at 5:41 PM, Luther said:

I've been sharing for the last year. Very intensely. When you say:

" But, when it comes to "Jews" today, what we really should be looking for and so should always take into account would be...."

What are we taking into account? The following verses that you share confirm to me that any tree ( those associated with God) that rejects The Son of God is cursed for ever, as we have, for example the parable of the fig tree which directly relates to National Israel. Jesus cursed the fig tree because it did not bear fruit. 

The Pharisees were a jewish sect that rejected Christ and went on to be the creators of Talmudic Judaism, which 99% of jews today follow.

So if you believe that God is going to save these people in a millennial kingdom, you will overlook the tremendous evil they have bestowed upon the world since the crucifixion of the Lord Jesus Christ. You well say to yourself, God owes these people something, so regardless of what they're doing, I must support them as a Christian. 

I absolutely reject that man made concept. They are  a cursed people unless they are part of the remnant. They ( and  no one else for that matter)  will not have a chance to be saved once Jesus comes because it will be THE END OF THE WORLD. 

That's why Jesus says you must be a tree that bears good fruit, whether Abraham is your father or not. 

I believe that these people are imposters. They are not "jews" as we think. They come with an anti- Christ doctrine and God would certainly want his people to avoid them. But instead  the Christian world is embracing them. Most of the Christian world. 

Revelation 3:9-10 KJV
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

[10] Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

The "hour of temptation" is the Great tribulation period which is upon us. 

Those who "say they are Jews and are not", are the ones currently taking over the Middle East as we speak. They are Eastern European converts to talmudic Judaism which shares absolutely nothing in common with our biblical values. Are they Jews? Or should we ignore Revelation 2:9? 

So the heart of the matter is this: if you believe that God owes the nation of Israel ( which was going to be called several different names before they went with Israel) You will not question where they come from and what their plans are for humanity. 

But I understand their history ( The true history) , and as a Christian I see the prophecy clearly. It's all coming together. God have mercy on us. 

 

 

Though I don't disagree ... I see the fig tree as realtive to the leaves we cover our self with ... 

[Luther]

19 minutes ago, In1 said:

Though I don't disagree ... I see the fig tree as realtive to the leaves we cover our self with ... 

Gotcha.