The Same Condemnation As The Devil

[Mr. M]

I was reading this passage from 1 Timothy in a study of pride and its effects.

1 Timothy 3:1 This is a faithful saying: If a man desires the position of an overseer, he desires a good work. 2 An overseer then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach; 3 not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous; 4 one who rules his own house well, having his children in submission with all reverence 5 (for if a man does not know how to rule his own house, how will he take care of the church of God?);
6 not a novice, lest being puffed up with pride he fall into the same condemnation as the devil. 7 Moreover he must have a good testimony among those who are outside, lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

Can a man of God, who by reason of pride fall into reproach unto the same condemnation as the devil still be saved, or is that same condemnation the lake of fire? I did note the word 'same' is italicized, not in the original or in the King James.

[Marathoner]

35 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

Can a man of God, who by reason of pride fall into reproach unto the same condemnation as the devil still be saved, or is that same condemnation the lake of fire? I did note the word 'same' is italicized, not in the original or in the King James.

We know that so long as we persist on this earth, the Lord disciplines us. Being the recipient of His discipline and restored by Him, I can say with confidence that He is faithful to bring us back into the fold. With that said, those who refuse His discipline and persist in their sins will most assuredly be subject to that condemnation. 

I believe this hinges upon "so long as we persist in this world," brother. There's always hope in Christ. 

[Mr. M]

2 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

I believe this hinges upon "so long as we persist in this world," brother. There's always hope in Christ.

God's discipline is indeed the remedy for pride. What all must accept is that God uses mature members of the Body of Christ to enforce that discipline. If in pride that discipline is not received, they are no longer in Christ.

Matthew 18:

15 Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. 

16 But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that ‘by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’ 

17 And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector.

[Mr. M]

On 6/17/2024 at 8:38 AM, Mr. M said:

6 not a novice, lest being puffed up with pride he fall into the same condemnation as the devil. 7 Moreover he must have a good testimony among those who are outside, lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

The result of failing to apply this teaching

was costly for the early church in Jerusalem.

Acts 6:

 3 Therefore, brethren, seek out from among you seven men

of good reputation, full of the Holy Spirit and wisdom,

whom we may appoint over this business; 

4 but we will give ourselves continually to prayer

and to the ministry of the word.

5 And the saying pleased the whole multitude.

And they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and the Holy Spirit,

and Philip, Prochorus, Nicanor, Timon, Parmenas,

and Nicolas, a proselyte from Antioch, 

6 whom they set before the apostles; and when they had prayed, 

they laid hands on them.

Revelation 2:

6 But this you have, that you hate the deeds

of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

15 Thus you also have those who hold the doctrine

of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.

[TheBlade]

I think context matters here. Somethings quoted was when they were all under the law 613 and did sacrifices. The Nicolaitans taught that Christians were free to indulge in any of the lusts of the flesh that they might desire. If the Nicolaitans of the First Century promoted that kind of sin, it is no wonder the lord hated their deeds. Praise God for Act's.. that is Christianity. Those Holy Spirit filled tongue talking believers.. ooh would they be welcome. Hmm who would freely welcome them :)

"Can a man of God, who by reason of pride fall into reproach unto the same condemnation as the devil still be saved, or is that same condemnation the lake of fire? I did note the word 'same' is italicized, not in the original or in the King James."

I can not see how that could ever happen. Think Satan was created perfect and was with God seeing Him in all His glory and power and then sin was found in him. He freely rejected God. Now what has man seen? Go for it share. No man can. We are born into darkness until He found us. Then because we simply believe in trust in Jesus Christ as its written are in right standing with God also known as righteousness. Fact is doubt is not of God.