When did the woman flee into the wilderness?

[tatwo]

On 6/17/2024 at 2:18 PM, Stewardofthemystery said:

This “woman's seed” also represents those who are born from above by the Holy Spirit, as Paul showed in the allegory in Galatians 4:26 that Jerusalem above is “the mother” of us all who are born of the Holy Spirit. 

I can agree with this…the “woman” in Revelation 12:1 is the “once glorious carrier” of the “Holy Seed”…the Spirit Son(s) of God the Father. She is however “distinct” from her “Offspring”…just as “Israel” ultimately was from her Messiah…the Lord Yahshua Christ…her son and the “Son of God” the Father.

Can you see the picture? When and if you do…you will realize who that woman really is.

I suggest abandoning the previously entrenched beliefs of the ages past…receive the fresh bread of life that comes down daily from heaven…drink it down with the refreshing water of life that also comes from heaven daily…refuse that “old manna.”

The revelation of who this “woman” of Revelation 12 is…and who this “Man Child” the “Offspring” that comes forth from “her womb”…is…dramatically changes the eschatological landscape that is currently held by evangelical christianity.

The picture that is emerging here and now in the end of this age…will be according to God’s plan. Without this understanding…one is not spiritually prepared for life on this earth today nor in the future.  

Once it is revealed to the mind of one’s spirit…and the soul grasps it by faith…to those…it all becomes clear…the “Sons of God” will be right here on the earth “as the fully mature Christ”…"the Image and likeness of God"...revealing to “all” that dwell upon the earth…the full understanding of who the Father of creation actually is…He is alive in them.

This upsets the earth dwellers to the point of murder…some perhaps many of the “Sons of God”…those “in Christ”…will die in their flesh as a result.

This is because "His Sons" are the express image of His person…and the beast, the lawless one, the harlot, the ranks of fallen angels and demons, are going to be defeated by the "Son of God" here on the earth…to bring about the end of the age...which also will see the dragon imprisoned by an angel coming out from behind the veil.

It is in this way…that the appearing of the Lord is manifest in the earth…He appears in His people...who is His Body on the earth...increasingly. And when the Spirit and the Bride say “come”…because the will and work of the Father has been completed...the veil between the visible and invisible will be dissolved and the eternal God is openly revealed to creation…as He is…Christ head and Body.

Tatwo...:)

Edited June 26, 2024 by tatwo

[Stewardofthemystery]

1 hour ago, tatwo said:

…to suggest that this “Man-child” who is “birthed forth” from this “woman” in Revelation 12...is depicting the “birth in Bethlehem” of the Lord Yahshua Christ…early in the "first century"...does not seem to flow with Scriptural picture presented to us prior to Revelation 12…which you have cited.

Tatwo...:)

I disagree, it flows perfectly with all the scriptures and also with many confirmed historical events.  Many try to move this prophecy into the future ignoring the “timing of events” in order to push a false doctrine.

The “timing” of “when”The man child Jesus was born is right in line with “when” the Dragon tried to devour the man child as soon as it was born by Herod who sought to kill the child.

The “timing” of Satan being cast out of heaven in Rev. 12 is also proof of the “timing”of this event, as Jesus said before he went to the cross that “NOW”shall the prince of this world be cast out.

Also the “timing” of when this woman flees into the wilderness is right in line with Jesus’ words about the Destruction of the Temple, and with the many prophecies about the saints (woman’s seed) being scattered to the nations and persecuted.

Those who try to push this false doctrine say that Satan has not yet been cast out heaven, these reject the clear words of Jesus.

Those who try to suggest that this man child being caught up to God and to His throne is the “rapture” of the saints, also reject the words of Jesus concerning the resurrection “at the last trump” and “at the last day”. 
 

So the timing of these events is right in line with prophecy and with the words of Jesus Christ.   
 

 

 

[tatwo]

2 minutes ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

I disagree, it flows perfectly with all the scriptures and also with many confirmed historical events.  Many try to move this prophecy into the future ignoring the “timing of events” in order to push a false doctrine.

As you wish...

However you conveniently and completely ignore the Scriptural chronology I put forth in those posts...all of it. You offer no discussion no interaction...only I disagree.

You simply do not appear to be able to hold yourself in accountability to the revelation of Christ as depicted in Scripture...nor to any other.

The unfortunate part of that is...no one else can either...making you an island all unto yourself...which is how you want it. Reminiscent of Nebuchadnezzar.

If your not interested in dialog...thank you for making that clear.

Tatwo...:)

[Stewardofthemystery]

23 minutes ago, tatwo said:

I can agree with this…the “woman” in Revelation 12:1 is the “once glorious carrier” of the “Holy Seed”…the Spirit Son(s) of God the Father. She is however “distinct” from her “Offspring”…just as “Israel” ultimately was from her Messiah…the Lord Yahshua Christ…her son and the “Son of God” the Father.

Can you see the picture? When and if you do…you will realize who that woman really is.

I suggest abandoning the previously entrenched beliefs of the ages past…receive the fresh bread of life that comes down daily from heaven…drink it down with the refreshing water of life that also comes from heaven daily…refuse that “old manna.”

The revelation of who this “woman” of Revelation 12 is…and who this “Man Child” the “Offspring” that comes forth from “her womb”…is…dramatically changes the eschatological landscape that is currently held by evangelical christianity.

The picture that is emerging here and now in the end of this age…will be according to God’s plan. Without this understanding…one is not spiritually prepared for life on this earth today nor in the future.  

Once it is revealed to the mind of one’s spirit…and the soul grasps it by faith…to those…it all becomes clear…the “Sons of God” will be right here on the earth “as the fully mature Christ”…"the Image and likeness of God"...revealing to “all” that dwell upon the earth…the full understanding of who the Father of creation actually is…He is alive in them.

This upsets the earth dwellers to the point of murder…some perhaps many of the “Sons of God”…those “in Christ”…will die in their flesh as a result.

This is because "His Sons" are the express image of His person…and the beast, the lawless one, the harlot, the ranks of fallen angels and demons, are going to be defeated by the "Son of God" here on the earth…to bring about the end of the age...which also will see the dragon imprisoned by an angel coming out from behind the veil.

It is in this way…that the appearing of the Lord is manifest in the earth…He appears in His people...who is His Body on the earth...increasingly. And when the Spirit and the Bride say “come”…because the will and work of the Father has been completed...the veil between the visible and invisible will be dissolved and the eternal God is openly revealed to creation…as He is…Christ head and Body.

Tatwo...:)

It sounds like you are trying to say that the woman is the flesh and blood Israel who was “once a glorious carrier” of the Holy seed.

I disagree, because like Paul said the children of the flesh are not the children of God, but the children of “the promise”are counted for “the seed.”

The promise of the Father is the Holy Spirit.  Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit, He is the “promised seed”that dwells in all those who are born of God’s Holy Spirit.

We know the woman is not flesh and blood Israel, who rejected Messiah because she is clothed with the SUN of Righteousness.

And it is written in verse ¹⁷ And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, (((which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.)))

The unbelieving Israel does not “have the testimony of Jesus Christ”

In order to have “the Testimony of Jesus Christ” you must have the Holy Spirit.

So the woman who flees into the wilderness are the saints who are born from Jerusalem above, “the mother”of all those who are born of God’s Holy Spirit.

[tatwo]

Just now, Stewardofthemystery said:

It sounds like you are trying to say that the woman is the flesh and blood Israel who was “once a glorious carrier” of the Holy seed.

No...I am not in any way saying that.

You seem to have interpreted my words...as saying that...they do not. I made a parallel to Israel as a "type and shadow"...which fits perfectly. Types and shadows are a prophetic reality that has a number of iterations in history.

I am speaking...all through my posts from the time frame of John the revelator who was on Patmos in the end of the first century...looking forward...and I stated that. 

Tatwo...:)

[tatwo]

14 minutes ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

So the woman who flees into the wilderness are the saints who are born from Jerusalem above, “the mother”of all those who are born of God’s Holy Spirit.

Really...so the woman who flees into the wilderness in Revelation 12...is the Body of Christ...the saints...and it is from "her" that the Lord Yahshua is physically birthed forth...is that what you are suggesting here Steward?

Tatwo...:)

[Stewardofthemystery]

31 minutes ago, tatwo said:

No...I am not in any way saying that.

Revelation 12…she is not a good mother…she is not faithful…thus "God forces" the separation.

So why did you say the woman is “not a good mother, she is not faithful?”🫤

[Stewardofthemystery]

22 minutes ago, tatwo said:

Really...so the woman who flees into the wilderness in Revelation 12...is the Body of Christ...the saints...and it is from "her" that the Lord Yahshua is physically birthed forth...is that what you are suggesting here Steward?

Tatwo...:)

The imagery is twofold, the woman represents the Holy Spirit, and “her seed”are those who are “born of”the Holy Spirit.

Jesus the “man child”was conceived by the Holy Spirit (mother of the Living) Those saints who have the Holy Spirit in them are of the “woman’s seed.”

The seed is Spiritual, not natural.

[tatwo]

6 hours ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

So why did you say the woman is “not a good mother, she is not faithful?”

Good question...

The first thing I see is that "she" is separated from the "Man-Child" she bore...He is the "Son of God"...God the Father provided the "seed." He is the progenitor of the spiritual Son...her Child...our Father takes His Son away from her...unto Himself. It is plain...

She then heads into the wilderness as God has desired...you may need to do some work on that it means to go into the "wilderness" I wrote this in my posts.

The "Man-Child" who is the "Son of God...the "Body of Christ" which we know....because He is "caught up to God and His throne"...of which the Head is the Lord Yahshua...the "Man-Child" is "Christ"...The Head and fully mature Body...the saints. The Christ is the "Head and Body as one man."

God Himself separates the mother from the Son just as Israel was separated from the Lord Yahshua...by the Lord Himself.

She is separated from Christ because she is a prostitute who has not been faithful to God...she is the "church"...the "Man-Child" is the Body of Christ who has been "called" out of her...do you understand "apostasy?"

Anyone remaining in the "woman" is "apostate"...in the wilderness she does not do well Steward...she continues her downward descent from "a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars" which means that at one time she was arrayed in splendor and the glory of God.

The last time we see this woman...she is upon this beast and she looks and acts just like him. Think about what I am saying for a moment.

There is more that is not said in all of this...perhaps we can get to it?

Tatwo...:)

[tatwo]

8 hours ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

The imagery is twofold, the woman represents the Holy Spirit, and “her seed”are those who are “born of”the Holy Spirit.

The woman is "separated" from her son...by God...who takes Him to His throne...which is His presence or dwelling place...while she is sent away...and has to deal with the dragon...in the wilderness.

I agree that those who are born from her are the seed of the Holy Spirit...Sons...whose Father is God...this is not the case for this unfaithful woman and those who remain with her.

That woman from Revelation 12 is the harlot...a prostitute...she is unfaithful and because of that...she is sent away...just like Israel. 

Just look at the "woman sent to the wilderness" when she is next seen in Revelation 17...yes that's her...what other "woman is in the wilderness here in Revelation...and now she is sitting upon the beast and looks just like it.

The wilderness experience went for her much like it did for Israel...it ended in rebellion and disobedience...which is another word for being "apathetic"...and as a result...both this woman and Israel were and will be...separated from the Lord...this is apostasy.

Tatwo...:)