Core Essentials of Our One Faith (for fellowshipping with others)?

[Neighbor]

10 hours ago, NConly said:

So adding Gates would allow for people to move about.  Which people is the question

I presumed gateways. But what I find is that walls  get breached and gateways bypassed. The protection for sovereignty over a territory must be more than a walling up and gate making at the perimeter. One cannot have a "wet foot dry foot policy" as an example, and expect people to wait in line to come through a gate.

All the rewards for bypassing orderly immigration  must be removed, a wall does not do that.   Though not a core essential of faith in the faith of Jesus, it is a practical reality that challenges safety of the flesh.

Personally if I were king of the hill I would order invasion of Mexico, just take it all over. How's that for radical lefty thinking? Course that would backfire too as  they would all then be our responsibility for care too. Dang it just isn't easy is it?

Essentials, fellowship, national sovereignty, and the sovereignty  of God, all gets  put in a blender of ideas and concerns. Perhaps it would be best if no one owned anything and we will all be happy it all being destroyed and built back better. No don't think so? Me neither.

Maranatha is the cry!

[1to3]

Is not Christ Jesus Himself a kind of wall, entrance gate to God before men?

Christ Jesus said Himself IN JOHN 14:6 I am the WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE, NO MAN COMES TO THE FATHER BUT THROUGH ME?

 

That is what angers the world so much about Christ Jesus

Narrow is the gate...Mathew 7:13 -14

¹³ Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and and few there be that find it.

¹⁴ Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

They don't want to except His Wall, His narrow gate , Christ Jesus being the only

DOOR of entrance concept that He is the ONLY way to get to God.That He is a wall of protection, the only wall of protection against the enemy.

Edited July 9, 2024 by 1to3

[NConly]

1 hour ago, Neighbor said:

I presumed gateways. But what I find is that walls  get breached and gateways bypassed. The protection for sovereignty over a territory must be more than a walling up and gate making at the perimeter. One cannot have a "wet foot dry foot policy" as an example, and expect people to wait in line to come through a gate.

All the rewards for bypassing orderly immigration  must be removed, a wall does not do that.   Though not a core essential of faith in the faith of Jesus, it is a practical reality that challenges safety of the flesh.

Personally if I were king of the hill I would order invasion of Mexico, just take it all over. How's that for radical lefty thinking? Course that would backfire too as  they would all then be our responsibility for care too. Dang it just isn't easy is it?

Essentials, fellowship, national sovereignty, and the sovereignty  of God, all gets  put in a blender of ideas and concerns. Perhaps it would be best if no one owned anything and we will all be happy it all being destroyed and built back better. No don't think so? Me neither.

Maranatha is the cry!

well they already have many of our companies moved down there for them to work in. There problem is drug production at any cost.

[First and the Last]

20 hours ago, Sower said:

Murder vs killing.

Is it a sin to defend the borders of our/other country from terrorists who come to kill?
Or for me to eliminate a threat to my family from home invasion?

I think there is too many different situations to answer your broad statement.
What essential core belief deals with this?
           "Love the Lord, love my neighbor"...    fellowship/discernment...

What about King David's (pre-meditated and deliberate killing) to throw into the mix.

Thanks, Truswell...

Addressing the question of killing versus murder and the ethical implications in various scenarios involves a nuanced understanding from a Christian perspective, particularly focusing on core beliefs and biblical principles.

The distinction between murder and killing is crucial. Murder, biblically defined, involves the unjust taking of human life, often motivated by malice or evil intent (Exodus 20:13). Killing, on the other hand, can include actions such as self-defense, defense of others, and lawful actions taken in the context of justice or war.

From a core belief standpoint, "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength, and love your neighbor as yourself" (Matthew 22:37-39) provides a foundational principle. This commandment emphasizes love for God and love for others, guiding our actions and decisions. In situations involving self-defense or defense of others, the principle of love includes protecting innocent life and preserving justice. This aligns with biblical examples where individuals acted to defend themselves or others from imminent harm (Exodus 22:2).

Regarding King David, his actions, such as the killing of Goliath and other military actions, are complex examples. David's life illustrates both moments of faithful obedience and serious moral failings, such as his affair with Bathsheba and the subsequent murder of her husband, Uriah (2 Samuel 11). David's actions were not always morally justified or in alignment with God's will, but they serve as reminders of the complexities of human nature and the consequences of sin.

Discernment and seeking God's wisdom through prayer and study of Scripture are essential in navigating these ethical dilemmas. While the Bible upholds the sanctity of life and teaches against murder, it also acknowledges the legitimacy of self-defense and just warfare in certain circumstances. Each situation should be approached with a sincere desire to uphold God's principles of justice, mercy, and love, seeking to preserve life and honor Him in all actions.

[Neighbor]

1 hour ago, 1to3 said:

the only wall of protection against the enemy.

Well I don't think so, for He (Yeshua) has left me with the Holy Spirit for that purpose. A wall of protection might  be the word of God the Bible as made understandable and useful by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

Just a thought for considering.

ps. And then there are the angels, my own personal protector is kept rather busy I believe.

pps. Perhaps finally but importantly  are the brethren whose many prayers have meant so much and have greatly influenced my own life.

[Neighbor]

2 hours ago, NConly said:

There problem is drug production at any cost.

Yes of course drug usage is the problem,  or a problem, for sure. A family member wrote a short thesis on it back in 1939 when he was 16 years old.  It pretty closely describes where we have gotten to today, only he shared of it as he had  learned of it from a small town sheriff way back then, even as concern about the USA's spiritual and heart ability to enter into WW II was at a high point.

This has been a long time coming.

And here we all are today having to face it, or be totally destroyed by it.  In this war,  a spiritual war, being fought out on hard geography there are no borders, and should be no rules.

Stop the drug trafficking by any and all means, cross borders to wherever is necessary, and do public hanging of any government official or elected office holder involved  in trafficking of it.  

Stop the supply and then help those that have  become dependent upon it. Can't help by making it legal and saying oh well no harm no foul it is victimless.

[NConly]

1 minute ago, Neighbor said:

Yes of course drug usage is the problem,  or a problem, for sure. A family member wrote a short thesis on it back in 1939 when he was 16 years old.  It pretty closely describes where we have gotten to today, only he shared of it as he had  learned of it from a small town sheriff way back then, even as concern about the USA's spiritual and heart ability to enter into WW II was at a high point.

This has been a long time coming.

And here we all are today having to face it, or be totally destroyed by it.  In this war,  a spiritual war, being fought out on hard geography there are no borders, and should be no rules.

Stop the drug trafficking by and and all means, cross borders to wherever is necessary, and do public hanging of any government official or elected office holder involved  in drug use and trafficking of it.  

Stop the supply and then help those that have  become dependent upon it. Can't help by making it legal and saying oh well no harm no foul it is victimless.

Drug smuggling and human smuggling should be stopped by any means. And I think many in power have their bad deeds hidden or covered up by people under them.

[Neighbor]

Perhaps a core essential of faith is to have a clear mind for the Holy Spirit to reach, one not captured by illicit drug usage.

[farouk]

5 hours ago, NConly said:

well they already have many of our companies moved down there for them to work in. There problem is drug production at any cost.

@NConly It's a one way street. Big corporations go down there for the cheap labor; according to NAFTA, the US and Canada were supposed to help strengthen Mexico's labor laws; but this has fallen significantly short. A while ago the leader of Mexico's biggest labor union was living in Canada because of threats to his life which the police there seemed somehow unable to do much about.

 

 

 

[NConly]

21 minutes ago, farouk said:

@NConly It's a one way street. Big corporations go down there for the cheap labor; according to NAFTA, the US and Canada were supposed to help strengthen Mexico's labor laws; but this has fallen significantly short. A while ago the leader of Mexico's biggest labor union was living in Canada because of threats to his life which the police there seemed somehow unable to do much about.

 

 

 

Seems most governments have more people running them that are untrustworthy and fewer that are trustworthy. So the larger group gets away with to much. Whether it be City, County, State, Federal or their agencies that run a big part.