Works II. Judgement Day

[PATrobas]

Reminders – Works are Judged for Loss or Rewards

            Last week we determined that God does not judge anyone’s works for salvation. Salvation is by faith alone in the finished work of Jesus on the cross and in His resurrection. Rejection of God’s saving provision through Jesus because of unbelief, results in suffering and eternal absence from God. Faith, or the lack thereof, is the sole determining factor as to whether someone goes to heaven after death. ^{Galatians 2:16} However, God will righteously judge all men’s works (deeds) as a measure of one’s losses or rewards in eternity. Those who are saved have their works judged when they physically die, at the ‘Judgement seat of Christ,’ where they will receive rewards and responsibilities for use in the kingdom. Those who are lost will have their works judged not at the moment of their physical death, but at the ‘Great White Throne’ judgement which occurs at the end of Jesus’ 1000-year reign. Until then, they will be imprisoned in Hades with the rich man of Luke 16, awaiting final punishment in the Lake of Fire forever. We can only speculate as to whether there are degrees of punishment based on works for those who are lost.

            People whose names are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life, (which includes all who are born again) shall stand before Jesus at the ‘Judgement Seat of Christ.’ ^{Romans 14:10} Paul describes it as a place of judgement of our works, ^{2 Corinthians 5:10} and that a judgement tool of fire will reveal whether our works were done in faith or in the flesh. All that will be left of flesh driven works are ashes, and what is left of works produced by faith will be as gold, silver and precious stones. ^{1 Corinthians 3:10-15} Jesus also told a parable relating how persons will be given responsibilities in His kingdom commensurate with what has been done in obedience to His commands now. ^{Luke 19:11-27} Though this judgement seat is for rewards, I don’t believe it will be an entirely pleasant experience. Paul describes it this way, “Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men.” ^{2 Corinthians 5:11} and Hebrews 10:30-31 says, “The Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.” But judgement for unbelievers will be horrific. The ‘Great White Throne’ judgement of unbelieving mankind for their works is described in Revelation 20:11-15. They will be there because they are spiritually dead in Adam and their names are not written in the book of life. They chose not to believe God and have a relationship with Him through Jesus Christ in this life on earth, and they will suffer the same absence of God in the lake of fire. God does not ‘send’ them there, it is the choice they make.

            Final Thoughts: Works can neither save nor condemn us. They only reveal the source from which they come. They are the result of either being in Jesus or in Adam. If you have not been born again, you remain positionally in Adam and his nature in you will only produce the works of the flesh. If you have been born again by faith in the Gospel, you are positionally in Christ and as you obey Him, He will produce His works in you. Jesus walked by faith in what His Father told Him to do, ^{Hebrews 11:6; John 8:29} and it was the Father that did the works through Him. ^{John 14:10; Acts 2:22} We are to follow Jesus by faith and His works will follow us too.    _ph

[steve morrow]

WOLVES  IN  SHEEPS  CLOTHING 

 

PSALM 119:155   ***SALVATION***  is far from the wicked for they  --seek not--  not thy statutes

EZEKIEL 36:27  and I will put my spirit within in you and cause you to --walk-- in  MY  statutes-- and you shall  --keep--  MY  judgments and  --do them--

LUKE 8:21  and  HE  answered and said unto them  MY  MOTHER  AND  MY  BRETHREN  are these which hear the word of  GOD  --and do it--

PSALM 25:10  all the paths of  THE  LORD  are mercy and truth unto such as  --keep--  HIS  covenant and  HIS  testimonies 

 

HEBREWS 5:13  for everyone that useth milk is --unskilful-- in the word of  --righteousness-- for he is a babe

--5:14--  but strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age even those who by reason of --use-- have their senses exercised to  --discern-- both good and evil 

 

PSALM 52:3  thou lovest evil more than good and lying rather than to speak righteousness   selah 

2 THESSALONIANS 3:13  but you brethren be not weary in --DOING  WELL--

 

PSALM 15:1  LORD  who shall abide in thy tabernacle who shall dwell in thy holy hill

--15:2--  he that  --walketh uprightly  ---  and --worketh-- righteousness  ---  and speaketh-- the truth in his heart 

ACTS 10:35  but in every nation he that --feareth  HIM ---  and worketh-- righteousness  ---  is accepted with  HIM--

 

PROVERBS 11:19  as righteousness tendeth to life so he that pursueth evil pursueth it to his own death

PROVERBS 13:21  evil pursueth sinners but to the righteous good shall be repayed  

 

PROVERBS 15:28  the heart of the righteous  --studieth -- to answer--  but the mouth of the wicked poureth out evil things

PROVERBS 12:17  he that  --speaketh--  truth showeth forth righteousness but a false witness deceit

 

PSALM 34:14   --depart-- from evil and  --do good  --  seek peace  --  and pursue it--

 

ROMANS 15:18  for I will --not dare-- to speak of any of those things which  CHRIST  hath not wrought by me to make the gentiles --obedient-- by word and deed

 

JOB 33:27  HE  looketh upon men and if any say I have sinned and perverted that which was right and it profited me not 

--33:28-- HE  will deliver his soul from going into the pit and his life shall --see the light--

 

ROMANS 1:18  for the wrath of  GOD  is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who hold the truth in unrighteousness 

 

MATTHEW 7:15  beware of false prophets which come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly they are ravening wolves

 

LOVING  THE  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST

[PATrobas]

1 hour ago, steve morrow said:

WOLVES  IN  SHEEPS  CLOTHING 

 

PSALM 119:155   ***SALVATION***  is far from the wicked for they  --seek not--  not thy statutes

EZEKIEL 36:27  and I will put my spirit within in you and cause you to --walk-- in  MY  statutes-- and you shall  --keep--  MY  judgments and  --do them--

LUKE 8:21  and  HE  answered and said unto them  MY  MOTHER  AND  MY  BRETHREN  are these which hear the word of  GOD  --and do it--

PSALM 25:10  all the paths of  THE  LORD  are mercy and truth unto such as  --keep--  HIS  covenant and  HIS  testimonies 

 

HEBREWS 5:13  for everyone that useth milk is --unskilful-- in the word of  --righteousness-- for he is a babe

--5:14--  but strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age even those who by reason of --use-- have their senses exercised to  --discern-- both good and evil 

 

PSALM 52:3  thou lovest evil more than good and lying rather than to speak righteousness   selah 

2 THESSALONIANS 3:13  but you brethren be not weary in --DOING  WELL--

 

PSALM 15:1  LORD  who shall abide in thy tabernacle who shall dwell in thy holy hill

--15:2--  he that  --walketh uprightly  ---  and --worketh-- righteousness  ---  and speaketh-- the truth in his heart 

ACTS 10:35  but in every nation he that --feareth  HIM ---  and worketh-- righteousness  ---  is accepted with  HIM--

 

PROVERBS 11:19  as righteousness tendeth to life so he that pursueth evil pursueth it to his own death

PROVERBS 13:21  evil pursueth sinners but to the righteous good shall be repayed  

 

PROVERBS 15:28  the heart of the righteous  --studieth -- to answer--  but the mouth of the wicked poureth out evil things

PROVERBS 12:17  he that  --speaketh--  truth showeth forth righteousness but a false witness deceit

 

PSALM 34:14   --depart-- from evil and  --do good  --  seek peace  --  and pursue it--

 

ROMANS 15:18  for I will --not dare-- to speak of any of those things which  CHRIST  hath not wrought by me to make the gentiles --obedient-- by word and deed

 

JOB 33:27  HE  looketh upon men and if any say I have sinned and perverted that which was right and it profited me not 

--33:28-- HE  will deliver his soul from going into the pit and his life shall --see the light--

 

ROMANS 1:18  for the wrath of  GOD  is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who hold the truth in unrighteousness 

 

MATTHEW 7:15  beware of false prophets which come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly they are ravening wolves

 

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Brother Steve, All of the verses you present, taken and understood in context, affirm exactly what I am teaching. ONLY the Righteous ones of God, those born from above are capable of doing Righteousness, which are manifested in us as ‘good works’. These are those acts done by God, in obedience to His leading, by them who are in Christ Jesus.

However, if you are alluding that I am a false prophet, or a wolf, then present us with your Scriptural reasons in your own words. If that isn’t your premise, then you are causing confusion by only citing Scripture without comment. I am more than willing to be corrected if Scripturally admonished. I’d be grateful if you were clearer in your purpose and reasons for posting. Forgive me if I am misinterpreting you. Thank you.

[other one]

On 7/19/2024 at 3:12 PM, PATrobas said:

Last week we determined that God does not judge anyone’s works for salvation. Salvation is by faith alone in the finished work of Jesus on the cross and in His resurrection.

Matt 25:31-46

31 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne.  32 Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.  33 And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left.  34 Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.  35 For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me,  36  I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.'  37 Then the righteous will answer him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink?  38 And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you?  39 And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?'  40 And the King will answer them, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.'

41 "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.  42 For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink,  43 I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.'  44 Then they also will answer, saying, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?'  45 Then he will answer them, saying, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.'  46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
ESV

Works or the lack of it can make the difference between heaven and hell.

[PATrobas]

10 minutes ago, other one said:

Matt 25:31-46

31 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne.  32 Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.  33 And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left.  34 Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.  35 For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me,  36  I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.'  37 Then the righteous will answer him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink?  38 And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you?  39 And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?'  40 And the King will answer them, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.'

41 "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.  42 For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink,  43 I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.'  44 Then they also will answer, saying, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?'  45 Then he will answer them, saying, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.'  46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
ESV

Works or the lack of it can make the difference between heaven and hell.

Only the Righteous can do GOOD WORKS. They were made Righteous first, by Christ by faith, then demonstrated that Righteousness by their works.

Rom 10:2  For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

Rom 10:3  For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

Rom 10:4  For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

They, believing that what they did made them Righteous, were wrong.

Jer 23:6  In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

[other one]

53 minutes ago, PATrobas said:

Only the Righteous can do GOOD WORKS. They were made Righteous first, by Christ by faith, then demonstrated that Righteousness by their works.

Rom 10:2  For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

Rom 10:3  For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

Rom 10:4  For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

They, believing that what they did made them Righteous, were wrong.

Jer 23:6  In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Any way you want to look at it, those who did not love their neighbors and do things that are good works went to hell.  Like I said Good works don't save you, but saved people do good works.   Obviously with the above scripture those who do not do them can't get into heaven.

[PATrobas]

1 hour ago, other one said:

Any way you want to look at it, those who did not love their neighbors and do things that are good works went to hell.  Like I said Good works don't save you, but saved people do good works.   Obviously with the above scripture those who do not do them can't get into heaven.

No. You are looking at it from a human stand-point. I know many people who aren't saved that have lots of "good works. "A single good work will not afford you entrance into heaven. That is not what God looks at. He looks at whether you have believed Him concerning the Gospel. I have no argument with you when you say saved people do good works, that part is true, however, how many good works does a man have who accepts/believes the Gospel on his deathbed and has no opportunity to do good works? None. His faith alone has saved him for he has no good works. That is my argument. Should he recover from his deathbed and is truly saved, he will then go on to do good works, for faith always produces good works. But it is not his works that save him, it is his faith, and his good works show his faith, but they can never PROVE his faith. Only God knows the heart.

[other one]

2 hours ago, PATrobas said:

No. You are looking at it from a human stand-point. I know many people who aren't saved that have lots of "good works. "A single good work will not afford you entrance into heaven. That is not what God looks at. He looks at whether you have believed Him concerning the Gospel. I have no argument with you when you say saved people do good works, that part is true, however, how many good works does a man have who accepts/believes the Gospel on his deathbed and has no opportunity to do good works? None. His faith alone has saved him for he has no good works. That is my argument. Should he recover from his deathbed and is truly saved, he will then go on to do good works, for faith always produces good works. But it is not his works that save him, it is his faith, and his good works show his faith, but they can never PROVE his faith. Only God knows the heart.

I think what I am saying is that if you have no good works, I do not think you are saved in the first place.   How many places did people think they are saved, and Jesus said, "I never knew you."

[PATrobas]

59 minutes ago, other one said:

I think what I am saying is that if you have no good works, I do not think you are saved in the first place.   How many places did people think they are saved, and Jesus said, "I never knew you."

Amen, exactly. Thus, if people would look at James' teaching from this perspective there would be a lot less controversy. "though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?" No, because he doesn't really have Biblical faith. He only says he has it. But if you have genuine faith, then genuine good works will follow. Without the testimony of good works we don't know if a person is saved or not. The works can't prove he is saved but it can be an indicator. Paul addressed a similar situation in Corinth with someone who is called or says he is a brother, "But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat." Because of his actions we can't tell if he is a brother or not, in fact we are to treat him as an unbeliever because of his actions (works.) Thanks for your grace. Blessings brother.

[steve morrow]

WOLVES  THAT  THINK  THEY  ARE  SAVED

 

1 --- WHY  ARE  NOT  YOUR  WORKS  DONE  IN TRUTH 

          PSALM 33:4  for the word of  THE  LORD  is right and all  HIS  works are done in truth 

          PSALM 145:17  THE  LORD  is righteous in all  HIS  ways and holy in all  HIS  works

          1 PETER 1:15  but as  HE  which hath called you is holy so be you holy in all manner of       

             conversation

            

2 --- WHY  THEN  IS  GODS  GRACE  NOT  SUFFICIENT  FOR  YOU

              2 CORINTHIANS 12:9  and  HE  said unto me  MY  grace is sufficient for thee for  MY  strength is    

              made perfect in weakness most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities that the 

           power of  CHRIST  may rest upon me

           TITUS 2:11  for the grace of  GOD  that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men

           --2:12--  teaching us that denying ungodliness and worldly lusts we should live soberly 

           righteously and godly in this present world 

 

3 --- WHY  THEN  ARE  YOU  NOT  IN  THE  LIGHT  AND  HATE  YOUR  BROTHERS

           1 JOHN 2:9  he that saith he is in the light and hateth his brother is in darkness even until now 

           --2:10--  he that loveth his brother abideth in the light and there is none occasion of stumbling 

           in him 

           JOHN 3:19  and this is the condemnation that light is come into the world and men loved 

           darkness rather than light because their deeds were evil 

          --3:20--  for every one that doeth evil hateth the light neither cometh to the light that his deeds 

           should be reproved 

           PSALM 119:130  the entrance of thy words giveth light it giveth understanding unto the simple

 

4 --- WHY  THEN  DO  YOU  NOT  LOVE  THE  LORD 

           JOHN 14:15  if you love  ME  keep  MY  commandments 

           JOHN 15:10  if you keep  MY  commandments you shall abide in  MY  love even as I have kept  MY  

           FATHERS  commandments and abide in  HIS  love

           JOHN 12:50  and I know that  HIS  commandment is life everlasting whatsoever I speak therefore 

           even as  THE  FATHER  said unto  ME  so I speak

 

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           1 JOHN 2:5  but whoso keepeth  HIS  word in him verily is the love of  GOD  perfected hereby 

           know we that we are in him 

           --2:6--  he that saith he abideth in  HIM  ought himself also so to walk even as  HE  walked 

           1 PETER 2:21   for even hereunto were you called because  CHRIST  also suffered for us leaving us 

           an example that you should follow  HIS  steps

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