Christians CAN believe in evolution... if they understand neither

[Sparks]

19 minutes ago, Still Alive said:

It's kinda funny, people that use science as their religion claim that Christians, when they can't show evidence for how something happened, just say, "God did it", and they use that to accuse our position of being intellectually bankrupt. However, the same goes for the creation of life from non-life. They have no explanation, so they just say it evolved. This includes a lot of the phases of evolution as well. 

I stopped arguing it years ago. I leave it at this: I believe God, Yaweh, created everything. I don't know how he did it because I wasn't there. And the bible chooses not to get into the details, but I believe he did it. But, opinions vary.

There are a lot of reasons why only an intelligent designer could come up with the universe.  I rightly give credit to God Almighty, but there is some small room for someone to claim it is some other 'god or intelligence,' but there is no room for 'the nothing' to have created all of this.  People who support evolution theory don't seem to understand the scientific reasons that evolution could not work.  There are about 12 laws or precepts that exist that would prevent it, right out of the gate.

Evolution theory attempts to explain the formation of the universe, the Earth and life but it fails, because it cannot explain the genesis of matter, energy or life. -- Joseph Farah 

In fact, Evolution Theory has not worked out to the point that evolutionists want to skip the part about how the universe came into existence, and wish to instead claim evolution theory was never about that. 

The only way you can draw the conclusion that evolution theory is true is by deliberately failing to examine the claims, closely.  If you don't understand the claims and it is all just a background hum to you, then you have not really examined it.

[BeyondET]

1 hour ago, Sparks said:

Well, you are the one assuming, and we are talking about the creation of everything according to what God said he did.  If you don't want to believe God created everything in the universe by starting with the worlds "Let there be light," I suppose that is on you.  There was nothing around before that.  No time, no space, nor matter nor the rules that govern the laws of physics, gravity, and naturally light didn't exist before that. 

Your assumptions is that the universe was around and filled, and that the Earth came later.  The theory of evolution is so silly it makes my teeth hurt to think about it.

Your theory that evolution says the sun was before light is silly. You have no idea what your talking about and that's makes my teeth hurt.

(Bible) light before sun - (Evolution) sun before light

Edited July 29, 2024 by BeyondET

[BeyondET]

1 hour ago, Sparks said:

Your assumptions is that the universe was around and filled, and that the Earth came later.  The theory of evolution is so silly it makes my teeth hurt to think about it.

You don't even know the difference between evolution and cosmology.

Edited July 29, 2024 by BeyondET

[Sparks]

38 minutes ago, BeyondET said:

You don't even know the difference between evolution and cosmology.

First, be careful with your personal insults.  I am not here to be your punching bag.  Second, are you sure you are understanding that everything would have had to evolve if the evolution theory were true?  Gravity, the laws of physics, etc.?

There is Micro evolution (really exists at every birth, ... variations within kinds), then there are those unobserved like Macro (above kinds to make new kinds), Cosmic, Chemical, Stellar and Planetary, and Organic evolution.  

For example, we have theories about stars and planets forming, but we have never actually observed them forming.  We have never seen one kind of animal become another one; animals continue to produce their own kind.  We are not seeing elements on this planet transforming into heaver elements.  Creating life is the toughest one. You catch the picture. 

And no, trillions of years is no excuse as to why we don't see any of this.

[Sparks]

43 minutes ago, BeyondET said:

Your theory that evolution says the sun was before light is silly. You have no idea what your talking about and that's makes my teeth hurt.

(Bible) light before sun - (Evolution) sun before light

The idea for evolution theory is that life happened here because the sun 'showed up' and it is the reason for life.  God said light came before all this.

[Still Alive]

50 minutes ago, BeyondET said:

Your theory that evolution says the sun was before light is silly. You have no idea what your talking about and that's makes my teeth hurt.

(Bible) light before sun - (Evolution) sun before light

Depends on what the bible means by "light". When you turn on the light in a completely dark room, the room is not really "without any light". And what if you really just opened the curtains? There is not enough info in those verses to hang your hat on any theory about exactly when the sun (or any star, for that matter) was "created". It's not important to Christian (or Jewish) theology. We know that at least the beginning of the age of man happened about 6,000 or so years ago, and that God is our creator. Everything else is wild speculation.

At least, IMO.

[BeyondET]

9 minutes ago, Sparks said:

The idea for evolution theory is that life happened here because the sun 'showed up' and it is the reason for life.  God said light came before all this.

So does cosmology say light was before the sun. Your assumption was wrong.

[BeyondET]

13 minutes ago, Sparks said:

First, be careful with your personal insults.  I am not here to be your punching bag.  Second, are you sure you are understanding that everything would have had to evolve if the evolution theory were true?  Gravity, the laws of physics, etc.?

There is Micro evolution (really exists at every birth, ... variations within kinds), then there are those unobserved like Macro (above kinds to make new kinds), Cosmic, Chemical, Stellar and Planetary, and Organic evolution.  

For example, we have theories about stars and planets forming, but we have never actually observed them forming.  We have never seen one kind of animal become another one; animals continue to produce their own kind.  We are not seeing elements on this planet transforming into heaver elements.  Creating life is the toughest one. You catch the picture. 

And no, trillions of years is no excuse as to why we don't see any of this.

What personal insult?, be careful making up accusations. just because I said you don't know the difference isn't a personal insult. Unless I hit nerve of truth.

[BeyondET]

4 minutes ago, Still Alive said:

Depends on what the bible means by "light". When you turn on the light in a completely dark room, the room is not really "without any light". And what if you really just opened the curtains? There is not enough info in those verses to hang your hat on any theory about exactly when the sun (or any star, for that matter) was "created". It's not important to Christian (or Jewish) theology. We know that at least the beginning of the age of man happened about 6,000 or so years ago, and that God is our creator. Everything else is wild speculation.

At least, IMO.

Lights and Stars are different things.

So tell me where in the bible does it say to count the generation to determine the age of man?. That's a man-made conception the bible doesn't instruct any of that.

[BeyondET]

28 minutes ago, Sparks said:

 For example, we have theories about stars and planets forming, but we have never actually observed them forming. 

Your in luck this year, you can get a glimpse of God still creating lights in the expanse.

https://www.colorado.edu/today/2024/04/29/new-star-about-appear-night-sky-heres-how-catch-glimpse