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[PATrobas]

Reminders – And we know

            We know things. Many of us have been raised from a child hearing about the things of God. The things we know have become familiar to us, so much so that sometimes we discover that what we thought we knew, we don’t really know at all. It is akin to remembering the color of the rugs or towels in the bathroom we use every day. James warns us about this, “For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror; for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what manner of man he was.” ^{James 1:23-24} If we become complacent, and dull of hearing the Word of God, we tend not to believe and obey Him.

            When the Scriptures use the phrase “we know,” or “you know,” followed by a truth, the author is assuming that we are fully aware of that truth. But that is not always the case. Oftentimes, they are truths that a Christian should know, and perhaps did know at one time, but time has made that truth common or ineffective to him. Sometimes that truth is so familiar, we ignore a different perspective about it or a deeper meaning of it. How often have we heard a teenager say, “I know, but…” then they go on to overrule the “I know” part with excuses to do what is more important to them. We often do the same. A good example is Romans 8:28, a verse we may have quoted to others when tragedy strikes.  But many of us remember this verse only in part saying, “All things work together for good to them that love God,” (as if this will make someone feel better.) But the meaning of this verse goes far beyond making someone feel better. The whole verse says, “And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to His purpose.” Now this truth focuses on God rather than our circumstances because the next verse says, “For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.” The meaning being that we know the sovereign God allows tribulation in our lives for our good, so that we will be made to be more like the Lord Jesus. Through suffering, we learn to trust and obey Him. Talking about Jesus, the Bible says, “Though He were a Son yet learned He obedience by the things which He suffered.” ^{Hebrews 5:8}

            Final Thoughts: Using Romans 8:28 is not always a good verse to share with someone who has just suffered a terrible loss or tragedy. No matter how well meaning our intentions are, reminding someone that this tragedy will somehow be a good thing sometime in the future will do little to comfort them. Instead, be a comfort to them by being with them, listening to them, and just loving them. ^{2 Corinthians 1:3-4} Then, if an opportunity does arise, direct them to the greatest comforter of all, Jesus. It is how God comforts us.     _ph

[Mr. M]

25 minutes ago, PATrobas said:

When the Scriptures use the phrase “we know,” or “you know,” followed by a truth, the author is assuming that we are fully aware of that truth. But that is not always the case. Oftentimes, they are truths that a Christian should know, and perhaps did know at one time, but time has made that truth common or ineffective to him. Sometimes that truth is so familiar, we ignore a different perspective about it or a deeper meaning of it.

1 John 5:

20 And we know that the Son of God has come

and has given us an understanding, that we may

know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true,

in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.

21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

Knowledge puffs up, love builds up (Edifies)

1 Corinthians 8:

1 Now concerning things offered to idols:

We know that we all have knowledge. 

Knowledge puffs up, but love edifies.

2 And if anyone thinks that he knows anything,

he knows nothing yet as he ought to know. 

3 But if anyone loves God, this one is known by Him.

Edited September 6, 2024 by Mr. M

[PATrobas]

7 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

1 John 5:

20 And we know that the Son of God has come

and has given us an understanding, that we may

know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true,

in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.

21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

Knowledge puffs up, love builds up (Edifies)

1 Corinthians 8:

1 Now concerning things offered to idols:

We know that we all have knowledge. 

Knowledge puffs up, but love edifies.

2 And if anyone thinks that he knows anything,

he knows nothing yet as he ought to know. 

3 But if anyone loves God, this one is known by Him.

It was 1Cor.8:2 that led me write what I did. But I know this, I now see through a glass darkly. But someday...........  1 John3:2

[AdHoc]

4 hours ago, PATrobas said:

Reminders – And we know

            We know things. Many of us have been raised from a child hearing about the things of God. The things we know have become familiar to us, so much so that sometimes we discover that what we thought we knew, we don’t really know at all. It is akin to remembering the color of the rugs or towels in the bathroom we use every day. James warns us about this, “For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror; for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what manner of man he was.” ^{James 1:23-24} If we become complacent, and dull of hearing the Word of God, we tend not to believe and obey Him.

            When the Scriptures use the phrase “we know,” or “you know,” followed by a truth, the author is assuming that we are fully aware of that truth. But that is not always the case. Oftentimes, they are truths that a Christian should know, and perhaps did know at one time, but time has made that truth common or ineffective to him. Sometimes that truth is so familiar, we ignore a different perspective about it or a deeper meaning of it. How often have we heard a teenager say, “I know, but…” then they go on to overrule the “I know” part with excuses to do what is more important to them. We often do the same. A good example is Romans 8:28, a verse we may have quoted to others when tragedy strikes.  But many of us remember this verse only in part saying, “All things work together for good to them that love God,” (as if this will make someone feel better.) But the meaning of this verse goes far beyond making someone feel better. The whole verse says, “And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to His purpose.” Now this truth focuses on God rather than our circumstances because the next verse says, “For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.” The meaning being that we know the sovereign God allows tribulation in our lives for our good, so that we will be made to be more like the Lord Jesus. Through suffering, we learn to trust and obey Him. Talking about Jesus, the Bible says, “Though He were a Son yet learned He obedience by the things which He suffered.” ^{Hebrews 5:8}

            Final Thoughts: Using Romans 8:28 is not always a good verse to share with someone who has just suffered a terrible loss or tragedy. No matter how well meaning our intentions are, reminding someone that this tragedy will somehow be a good thing sometime in the future will do little to comfort them. Instead, be a comfort to them by being with them, listening to them, and just loving them. ^{2 Corinthians 1:3-4} Then, if an opportunity does arise, direct them to the greatest comforter of all, Jesus. It is how God comforts us.     _ph

Nice posting. Full of insight.

[Thomas2]

16 hours ago, PATrobas said:

It was 1Cor.8:2 that led me write what I did. But I know this, I now see through a glass darkly. But someday...........  1 John3:2

Half of the message is contained in 1 Corinthians 8:1, of knowledge puffing us up, but of charity edifying/giving us the correct understanding..

 

1 Corinthians 8:1 Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.
2 And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.

 

Read now 4 chapters later, and of apostle Paul SHOWING us, the more EXCELLENT WAY.

Again we are told we could have all knowledge/understand all mysteries, and all faith to remove mountains, but with charity missing it is nothing. Charity is not puffed up/ never fails. ( knowledge puffs up.) and knowledge passes away.

 

 

 

1 Corinthians 12:31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.

1 Corinthians 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

1 Corinthians 13:4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,

1 Corinthians 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

 

This is all the excellent way that apostle Paul is showing to us, because the excellent way had come to him. Knowledge that puffs up was not puffing up apostle Paul, as charity edifies, and charity is not puffed up. Knowledge had passed away from apostle Paul.

When that which is perfect is come, what is in part ( knowledge) is done away.

Doing away/putting away childish things, is when we become a man. 9 the more excellent way)

As a child, ( now) we see through a glass, darkly, not seeing the excellent way, but when that which is perfect has come, ( when Christ has come to us.) then we no longer know in part, ( in knowledge that puffs up.) but we know Christ, even as He knows us.

Hebrews  9 testifies that Christ is come by a more perfect tabernacle. ( greater knowledge of Christ, then the knowledge of the law.)

 

 

1 Corinthians 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

1 Corinthians 13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

 

Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Hebrews 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

[Thomas2]

12 hours ago, AdHoc said:

Nice posting. Full of insight.

Insight is what was told ( knowledge) wont save us, charity,( kindness, humility, belief in all things) edifies is what is told, will.

Compare the words, of seeing darkly/in a dark place and how that changes through charity..

 

 

1 Corinthians 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

2 Peter 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

 

2 Peter 1:6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

[PATrobas]

9 hours ago, Thomas2 said:

Knowledge had passed away from apostle Paul.

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Paul had all kinds of knowledge but confessed he only knew in part now in this life. When that which is perfect is come then will he (we) know even as we are known.

In the chapter 8 section, Paul was instructing about food offered to idols and he was instructing those who were more mature, that knew the food was not better or worse to eat if offered to idols, That tey should not cause the weaker brother to stumble but to forego eating it for love's sake.

The knowledge that puffed up was because they ate idol food in front of the weaker bro. instead of by love foregoing eating. Thus by love built them up. As they matured they would learn the doctrine and then eat or not eat as led.

1Jn 3:2  Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

It is then that we shall know as we are known.

[Thomas2]

12 hours ago, PATrobas said:

 

1Jn 3:2  Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

It is then that we shall know as we are known.

We put away childish things, being children is BEFORE THAT FAITH/THT WHICH IS PERFECT, is come.

 

1 Corinthians 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

1 Corinthians 13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

1 Corinthians 14:20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.

Galatians 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

[Thomas2]

12 hours ago, PATrobas said:

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Paul had all kinds of knowledge but confessed he only knew in part now in this life. When that which is perfect is come then will he (we) know even as we are known.

 

Paul showed we see darkly, but that, that changes and we see when the light shines in that dark place/ when the day star arises in our heart..

 

1 Corinthians 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

2 Peter 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

[Thomas2]

12 hours ago, PATrobas said:

 

1Jn 3:2  Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

It is then that we shall know as we are known.

The world did not and does not know Him. ( as He is) we cant be the same if we claim to believe in Him.

The Son reveals to us to know Him, ( the Father.) and did not say He partly and darkly reveals to us the Father, but tells us ALL THINGS. ( delivered to the Son of the Father)

Do you think seeing darkly is the equivalent of seeing darkly now ? All things the son has heard of the Father, He has MADE KNOWN TO US.

 

1 John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Matthew 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

John 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.