One comment on Genesis 6:1-4--not demons or angels.

[BornAgain490]

2 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

Again, that isn't the subject.  If it was, then JOB would have just gone and 'presented' himself before God wouldn't he?

THEY WERE UNDER THE LAW, not GRACE.  

The book of Job suggests that these men of faith (sons of God) engaged in collective praise and worship, doesn't it?  Much like we do today. 

And Job did worship and present himself, by himself, and his offerings to the LORD, and Job did so continually. Job 1:5. 

[DeighAnn]

2 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

God began dispensing grace long before Job. So, yes, Job was subject to God's grace. 

I had already spoken to my belief in the indwelling therefore your question of it becomes a false witness.  

Yes, but the sons of God, if human, presenting themselves before God in flesh and blood bodies and not DYING is the problem


yatsab: to set or station oneself, take one's stand
 

[BornAgain490]

1 minute ago, DeighAnn said:

Yes, but the sons of God, if human, presenting themselves before God in flesh and blood bodies and not DYING is the problem
 

We are flesh and blood and we present ourselves before the LORD all the time, in spirit and in truth. That is what the faithful men (sons of God) were doing in Job. 

[DeighAnn]

2 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

The book of Job suggests that these men of faith (sons of God) engaged in collective praise and worship, doesn't it?  Much like we do today. 

And Job did worship and present himself, by himself, and his offerings to the LORD, and Job did so continually. Job 1:5. 

LOOK, not FLESH AND BLOOD MEN as NO EARTH YET

1Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,

2Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?

3Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.

4Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

5Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

6Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

7When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

8Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?

9When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,

10And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,

11And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?

12Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;

13That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?

14It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.

15And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken.

[DeighAnn]

Just now, BornAgain490 said:

We are flesh and blood and we present ourselves before the LORD all the time, in spirit and in truth. That is what the faithful men (sons of God) were doing in Job. 

25For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven. 26And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? 27He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.

[BornAgain490]

1 minute ago, DeighAnn said:

LOOK, not FLESH AND BLOOD MEN as NO EARTH YET

1Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,

2Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?

3Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.

4Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

5Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

6Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

7When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

8Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?

9When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,

10And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,

11And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?

12Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;

13That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?

14It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.

15And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken.

If you don't understand that God is speaking in poetic terms, and that in God's omniscience He knew long before he created anything, that his faithful men (sons of God) already existed in God's mind and foreknowledge, then you'll never understand the poetic soliloquy that God is presenting in Job. 

[Still Alive]

On 9/13/2024 at 6:46 PM, Bruce_Leiter said:

Fellow believers, one very good principle of biblical interpretation is to study the CONTEXT of any passage. When we consider Genesis 6:1-4

(Gen 6:1  When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them, 
Gen 6:2  the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose. 
Gen 6:3  Then the LORD said, “My Spirit shall not abide in man forever, for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years.” 
Gen 6:4  The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown [English Standard Version]),

the previous chapters give us the clues we need to know who the "sons of God" and the "daughters of man" seem to be.

Moses traces two genealogical lines from Adam, one through Seth, including Enoch, and the other through Cain, including Lamech. I know we often skip genealogies; but, in this case, they are important for our interpretation of Genesis 6:1-4.

(You realize, of course, that the chapter divisions were never in the original manuscripts.)

Anyway, this understanding makes what I think is the best interpretation of Genesis 6:1-4 that the sons of God are the believing line from Seth, and the daughters of men are the unbelieving line from Cain. The mixture of unbelievers and believers resulted in the earth's corruption that brought on the Great Flood. God gave Noah 120 years to build the Ark and preach the Good News about how the people could escape destruction. Sadly, people didn't listen.

IMO, if one really wants to get into the weeds on this issue, just read 1 Enoch.

[DeighAnn]

Just now, BornAgain490 said:

If you don't understand that God is speaking in poetic terms, and that in God's omniscience He knew long before he created anything, that his faithful men (sons of God) already existed in God's mind and foreknowledge, then you'll never understand the poetic soliloquy that God is presenting in Job. 

They weren't very 'poetic' to Job, they were quite literal.  

We are not discussing God's omniscience; we are discussing what is actually written and what actually happened in heaven and on earth. 

But I have to go, so will have to respond to anything further tomorrow.  

[BornAgain490]

13 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

They weren't very 'poetic' to Job, they were quite literal.  

We are not discussing God's omniscience; we are discussing what is actually written and what actually happened in heaven and on earth. 

But I have to go, so will have to respond to anything further tomorrow.  

Have a blessed day

[hishandmaiden]

I believe the sons of God in Genesis 6 referred to angels, in particular fallen ones. That is why giants are produced as their offspring. How can mere men produce giants? Only angels, sexually interacted with mortal women, can produce giants. Goliath and many giants are offspring of sexual interactions between angels and mortal women. That is also why these angels are locked up, they are dangerous as they can sexually interact with mortals.