Mature Universe Theory

[BeyondET]

6 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

Huh?  7?  What are you referring to?  The sources I quoted from were included in my post.  I really wish you'd at least READ my posts before firing off those wild shots and missing everything.

To you referring to several, I can exaggerate just like you lol.

You posted no scholar sources who mention the creation account was taught from Adam and Eve.

You can post the several again, let's see them?

[BeyondET]

6 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

Everyone understands who I was referring to.  But I see that you've taken up one of the tactics of the Dems;  twist what others say.

There's no twist I was referring to you.

[FreeGrace]

6 minutes ago, BeyondET said:

To you referring to several, I can exaggerate just like you lol.

How about this:  I dare you to provide an example of my "exaggerations".

6 minutes ago, BeyondET said:

You posted no scholar sources who mention the creation account was taught from Adam and Eve.

You can post the several again, let's see them?

I'm sorry my post was so unclear to you.  I quoted sources that mentioned that accounts from A & E were passed down to their progeny.  Whyn is that so hard to accept?

Why wouldn't they?

The point is that these language experts who actually read the ancient writings all noted that the ancients all understood "creation" was from a state of wildness and disorder.  Which fits an earth that had been restored.  

iow, creation from the standpoint of humans, where Adam was created on the 6th day of restoration.

This is not difficult to follow.

[FreeGrace]

8 minutes ago, BeyondET said:

There's no twist I was referring to you.

My point is that you have twisted what I post.  

[The Barbarian]

If you read the Bible with a strict literalist bent, it does say that the Earth is flat.  

6 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

Actually, it does not.

Actually, it does.

Matthew 4:8  Again the devil took him up into a very high mountain, and shewed him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them,  9 And said to him: All these will I give thee, if falling down thou wilt adore me.  10 Then Jesus saith to him: Begone, Satan: for it is written, The Lord thy God shalt thou adore, and him only shalt thou serve.

No matter how high the mountain, the Earth would have to be flat to show all the kingdoms of the world from there.

6 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

Furthermore, when dry land appeared, Genesis 1 describes all the land as existing "in one place" in Genesis 1:9 while all waters are gathered likewise. Geometrically, this can only happen on a sphere, and therefore Genesis 1 implies a round earth. 

Nope.  There are lots of ways that could be so on a flat Earth.   

https://www.loc.gov/resource/g9930.ct003852r/?r=-0.536,-0.021,2.072,1.248,0

And as the shape of the Earth is described as a circle rather than a sphere, it would fit the flat earther concept.

It is true that hundreds of years before Christ was born, mariners realized that the Earth was round, and a few hundred years before He was born, Eratosthenes determined its circumference.    However, it seems many people did not realize this in Roman times.

 

[BeyondET]

3 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

How about this:  I dare you to provide an example of my "exaggerations".

I'm sorry my post was so unclear to you.  I quoted sources that mentioned that accounts from A & E were passed down to their progeny.  Whyn is that so hard to accept?

Why wouldn't they?

The point is that these language experts who actually read the ancient writings all noted that the ancients all understood "creation" was from a state of wildness and disorder.  Which fits an earth that had been restored.  

iow, creation from the standpoint of humans, where Adam was created on the 6th day of restoration.

This is not difficult to follow.

Where is the post, why is it hard to show repost the scholar sources?

[BeyondET]

3 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

My point is that you have twisted what I post.  

I used what you post, because it was fitting.

[The Barbarian]

On 11/2/2024 at 6:35 PM, tim_from_pa said:

I never want to say something is "proven" or a "fact" other than something we have a reliable mathematical equation for.

Yes.   Logical certainty is not something we get outside of logically demonstrated reasoning.    Science, for example, merely gathers enough evidence to make denial unreasonable.    It never "proves" anything in the sense that logicians or mathematicians use the word.

 

 

[RV_Wizard]

2 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

No matter how high the mountain, the Earth would have to be flat to show all the kingdoms of the world from there.

The things you do not understand about the Bible could fill a book the size of the Bible.  To most people, that is a vision.  However, since you cannot discern between the literal and the symbolic, I'll play along.  Did Satan have a helicopter?  How did He take Christ literally to a high mountain and show Him the world without a helicopter?  How is it that, being so high, there were no clouds in the way to distort the vision?

2 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

And as the shape of the Earth is described as a circle rather than a sphere, it would fit the flat earther concept.

Indeed.  Just because the word "sphere" didn't exist until the 14th century is no excuse not to mention it in writings dating to 500 BC.

 

[FreeGrace]

2 hours ago, BeyondET said:

Where is the post, why is it hard to show repost the scholar sources?

Just follow back a page or two.  Not real difficult.  Since it appears that you haven't really read my posts carefully, I see no point in repeating what you haven't been reading anyway.