Mature Universe Theory

[RV_Wizard]

6 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

 You have accepted the KJV translation, which has been shown to be FALSE because in this 3 dimensional universe, the earth CANNOT ever have been "formless".

Your inability to comprehend 7th grade science concepts renders your entire argument invalid.  

[BeyondET]

4 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

Just follow back a page or two.  Not real difficult.  Since it appears that you haven't really read my posts carefully, I see no point in repeating what you haven't been reading anyway.

I read them and you didn't post scholar sources to your claim.

Edited November 4, 2024 by BeyondET

[FreeGrace]

10 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

FreeGrace said:

 You have accepted the KJV translation, which has been shown to be FALSE because in this 3 dimensional universe, the earth CANNOT ever have been "formless".

Your inability to comprehend 7th grade science concepts renders your entire argument invalid.  

I think it's time that you just accept the facts and leave your theory behind.

Still waiting for an example of an object that is formless. (not 3 dimensional)

[FreeGrace]

6 hours ago, BeyondET said:

FreeGrace said:

Just follow back a page or two.  Not real difficult.  Since it appears that you haven't really read my posts carefully, I see no point in repeating what you haven't been reading anyway.

I read them and you didn't post scholar sources

They were mentioned in the post, not as a "source" after the post.  

Go to page 17 and scroll down to the 10th post.  I specifically mentioned 4 sources.

[BeyondET]

1 hour ago, FreeGrace said:

They were mentioned in the post, not as a "source" after the post.  

Go to page 17 and scroll down to the 10th post.  I specifically mentioned 4 sources.

There is absolutely no sources mentioning creation being taught from Adam and Eve in any of your post on page 17. No where even in the whole thread.

[FreeGrace]

31 minutes ago, BeyondET said:

There is absolutely no sources mentioning creation being taught from Adam and Eve in any of your post on page 17. No where even in the whole thread.

No, the sources didn't use the very words you seem to demand.  

Apparently you didn't read this part of my post:

"In a similar way, the account of creation from Adam and Eve was passed down among the generations.  So the common thread of “chaos” in so many different religions would have come from what Genesis 1:2 actually says in the original, not in how every English translation renders it.

The Exegetical Dictionary of the New Testament, by Balz and Schneider Eds. makes notes that “the OT creation narratives are most intelligible within the framework of ancient Near Eastern views, each motif has parallels.

The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology & Exegesis, by Sylva, notes that κτίζω is used in the the Septuagint for the rebuilding of Jerusalem in Ezra 5:17.  It further notes that the word group for κτίζω is used always of divine creation, with 1 exception, in 1 Pet 2:13."

You can make of it what you wish.  But the words are clear enough.

I've done the research.  You haven't.

[RV_Wizard]

3 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

Still waiting for an example of an object that is formless.

Since I have provided multiple examples and you STILL can't grasp 7th grade science, it is clear you cannot be educated.

[FreeGrace]

9 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said:

,  FreeGrace said:

Still waiting for an example of an object that is formless.

Since I have provided multiple examples and you STILL can't grasp 7th grade science, it is clear you cannot be educated.

The only examples you provided were NOT objects, but liquids and gases, which are not objects.

In space, liquids take the FORM of a sphere.  

So you cannot provide any example of an object that is formless.  That is because all objects are 3 dimensional, and by the source that you quoted from, the word "form" means 3 dimensional.

When God spoke the earth into existence (Psa 33:6,9) it was a sphere.  It couldn't have been "formless" since that doesn't exist in the universe.

Maybe you are thinking of some meta-universe that is either 2-dimensional or even 1-dimensional.  But the only REAL universe is the one we live in, which is 3 dimensional.

[The Barbarian]

No matter how high the mountain, the Earth would have to be flat to show all the kingdoms of the world from there.

14 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

The things you do not understand about the Bible could fill a book the size of the Bible. 

Let me guess... "It's all literal, except when it isn't"

14 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

To most people, that is a vision. 

Yep.    There it is.    Doesn't say a vision.    You just added that to avoid what it actually says.    However, since you cannot discern between the literal and the symbolic, I'll play along. 

Why do you suppose that the Earth being flat is just a "vision", but you're sure that God molding Adam's body directly out of dirt is not a vision?

We all know why, don't we?   Because a round Earth doesn't contradict your personal preferences.

14 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

How is it that, being so high, there were no clouds in the way to distort the vision?

And now, suddenly, evidence becomes a reason we shouldn't believe scripture as a literal account.   

  

Edited November 4, 2024 by The Barbarian

[BeyondET]

2 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

"In a similar way, the account of creation from Adam and Eve was passed down among the generations.  

That's exactly what i was referring to, you made that up, the account of creation from Adam and Eve not from any scholar sources.