Mature Universe Theory

[RV_Wizard]

3 hours ago, Indentured Servant said:

It is only an assumption that the biblical earth refers to the entire planet.

For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it. - God.

The sun, moon and stars appeared on day four.

There is no Biblical provision for an aged earth.

[Indentured Servant]

1 hour ago, RV_Wizard said:

For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it. - God.

The sun, moon and stars appeared on day four.

There is no Biblical provision for an aged earth.

There is no biblical provision for the word "earth" to be defined as the entire planet. 

[FreeGrace]

1 hour ago, RV_Wizard said:

FreeGrace said:

Therefore, the use of "tohu wabohu" in Gen 1:2 shows that the earth did become a wasteland that was inhabitable,

No, therefore we all gave up on you

One gives up when they realize they have no proof or evidence of what they claim.

1 hour ago, RV_Wizard said:

being educable by you saying the same things repeatedly despite all evidence to the contrary.

That's funny.  Where is all that "evidence to the contrary".  I've seen lots of opinions but all you have to go on is an English translation of Gen 1:2, which has been shown to be impossible, since no object can be "formless", unless the word is used in a comparitive sense.  But there is no comparative sense in Genesis 1.

And you haven't any evidence that "tohu wabohu" is a contronym.  So you have zero evidence for anything that you claim.

Just a lot of absurd questions that obviously can't be answered since God didn't give any details.  So you'll have to ask Him about all your questions.  

Let me know what His answers are.

[FreeGrace]

1 hour ago, RV_Wizard said:

For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it. - God.

The sun, moon and stars appeared on day four.

There is no Biblical provision for an aged earth.

The provision is clearly given in Gen 1:2, by the words "ha-ye-tah tohu wabohu".  The words mean "became an uninhabitable wasteland".  I've shown the evidence, which YECists simply reject.

[RV_Wizard]

58 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

The provision is clearly given in Gen 1:2, by the words "ha-ye-tah tohu wabohu"

We’re all bored with your tofu waffles heresy.

[RV_Wizard]

1 hour ago, Indentured Servant said:

2 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

There is no biblical provision for the word "earth" to be defined as the entire planet. 

There is no biblical provision for the word Bible.  In verse one God creates the Heaven and the earth.  In verse nine dry land appears.  So how could the earth in verse one apply to something that didn’t exist until day three?

Edited November 11, 2024 by RV_Wizard

[Indentured Servant]

17 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said:

There is no biblical provision for the word Bible.  In verse one God creates the Heaven and the earth.  In verse nine dry land appears.  So how could the earth in verse one apply to something that didn’t exist until day three?

The word Bible is the English for the Hebrew and Greek words for "scroll." So, yes, there is a provision for the word Bible.

It seems as if you are becoming agitated with my contribution to this thread. Rather than being accused of lacking humility by responding, I'll keep my peace and move on.

Thank you.

[FreeGrace]

1 hour ago, RV_Wizard said:

We’re all bored with your tofu waffles heresy.

Mocking the truth seems a bit out of character for a professing Christian.  Sad to see.

[RV_Wizard]

13 hours ago, Indentured Servant said:

The word Bible is the English for the Hebrew and Greek words for "scroll." So, yes, there is a provision for the word Bible.

Scroll, yes, Bible, no.  You use other definitions for words that were interpretations of other words in the first place.  The Bible teaches and the church taught for the first 57 centuries that the creation happened in six days and the genealogies if the bible come to around 6,000 years.  Old earth interpretations are younger than the US.  They have to distort the first two chapters of Genesis, and ignore concepts like the fall of man, the flood, salvation through one man, and the reason Christ came and died on the cross.

Belief in an old earth would make it easier to get along with the unbelievers, but how much better would it be to draw closer to the Lord?  Nothing died before Adam sinned.  There was no eternal life until Jesus sacrificed Himself for us.

[RV_Wizard]

13 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

Mocking the truth seems a bit out of character for a professing Christian.

And yet, that IS the sum total of your posts here.  God said He created everything in six days, you say He did not.  Paul pointed out that sin and death came to the world because Adam disobeyed God.  You say there was an entire existence long before Adam.  You pretend there was a universe before the first day.  The Bible teaches the universe was created on day four.  You seem to think that quoting Scripture changes the Scripture instead of impacting the quote.  You have been shown wrong dozens of times and you post the same, oft refuted things.  This thread was about the condition of the world at its creation.  You use it to promote your favorite heresy.  ALL threads to you are for promoting your favorite heresy.