Mature Universe Theory

[FreeGrace]

18 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

Further looking into the etymology of "kosmos" shows that in Attic Greeek, it was first used in the sense of an orderly system.    It derives from the verb "kosmein" meaning "to put in order" or "arrange."    From it, comes the word "cosmetics."

κόσμος • (kósmos) m (genitive κόσμου); second declension (Epic, Attic, Ionic, Doric, Koine)

1. order
2. lawful order, government
3. mode, fashion
4. ornament, decoration
5. honour, credit
6. ruler
7. world, universe, the earth
8. mankind

 

Yes, the ladies need to "put their face in order", or to "arrange" it.  

The etymology of the Greek word 'bapto' is equally fascinating.  By the first Century, the word came to be used for a "new identity", such as in Mark 1:8, or to be "identified with", as used by Paul in 1 Cor 10:2.  

In about 40% of uses in the NT have nothing to do with immersing in water.

 

[RV_Wizard]

On 11/12/2024 at 9:14 PM, The Barbarian said:

You've been misled...

from Greek sphaira "globe, ball, playing ball, terrestrial globe," a word of unknown origin.

From your link:

Also from late 14c. in the general sense of "a globe; object of spherical form, a ball," and in the geometric sense of "solid figure with all points equidistant from the center." 

So in your world the 14th century came before 550BC?  That explains a lot.

[RV_Wizard]

On 11/13/2024 at 12:30 PM, FreeGrace said:

I had to chuckle with this response!  In fact, RV PREFERS an English translation of Gen 1:2 RATHER than what the Hebrew words actually mean

One day you will realize that you are criticizing an English translation with an English translation, and then you'll see why people see your posts as comedy.  Your ruin/reconstruction theory is a good example of eisegesis.  You (and others here) distort the text to fit your beliefs rather than adjusting your beliefs to conform with the Scriptures.

[FreeGrace]

43 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said:

FreeGrace said:

I had to chuckle with this response!  In fact, RV PREFERS an English translation of Gen 1:2 RATHER than what the Hebrew words actually mean

One day you will realize that you are criticizing an English translation with an English translation, and then you'll see why people see your posts as comedy.

I already realize that you are driven by an agenda, rather than by God's Word.  But it's not funny.  

43 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said:

  Your ruin/reconstruction theory is a good example of eisegesis.  You (and others here) distort the text to fit your beliefs rather than adjusting your beliefs to conform with the Scriptures.

All distortion is on the YEC, who simply refuse to accept the meaning of "tohu wabohu" even though we have 2 texts (the ONLY other in the OT) that clearly show what they describe, and it isn't creation.  

But go ahead and keep nursing your agenda.  I'm not accountable for your beliefs.

I am only accountable for the truth of Scripture.

[The Barbarian]

 

You've been misled...

from Greek sphaira "globe, ball, playing ball, terrestrial globe," a word of unknown origin.

2 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

So in your world the 14th century came before 550BC? 

Attic Greek is much older than that.    You're still confused:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek

Nikolayev instead suggests derivation from a Proto-Hellenic *skʷʰə́řřa, from a putative Proto-Indo-European *sgʷʰer- (“to be round”); compare Avestan 𐬰𐬔𐬆𐬭𐬆𐬯𐬥𐬀 (zgər^əsna, “round”) and Hittite [Term?] pl (/⁠šū̆rita⁠/, “skeins of wool”) (a borrowing from Luwian)

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/σφαῖρα

[RV_Wizard]

6 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

All distortion is on the YEC, who simply refuse to accept the meaning of "tohu wabohu"

Nobody cares about your tofu waffles, your inability to understand using a Biblical reference, or your inability to comprehend the existence of homonyms.  The contention that there existed a previous world before the sun, moon, stars, light, heat, life of any form or even dry land is contradicted both by Scripture and by science.  You make the same posts regardless of the subject matter of the thread.  You don't convince anyone.

[FreeGrace]

3 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said:

  FreeGrace said:

All distortion is on the YEC, who simply refuse to accept the meaning of "tohu wabohu"

Nobody cares about your tofu waffles, your inability to understand using a Biblical reference, or your inability to comprehend the existence of homonyms.  The contention that there existed a previous world before the sun, moon, stars, light, heat, life of any form or even dry land is contradicted both by Scripture and by science.  You make the same posts regardless of the subject matter of the thread.  You don't convince anyone.

You have demonstrated quite clearly what the word "unteachable" means and looks like.  I thank you for that.

Your last sentence is really quite odd.  And of course unprovable since all of my posts are related to the topic of each thread I post to.  But it does again demonstrate what the word "unteachable" means.

 

[RV_Wizard]

5 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

You're still confused:

No, I re-stated what your post said.  Genesis was written in ancient Hebrew, about 550 BC.  Your post referenced the 14th century.  What ancient Greeks knew or thought they knew has no relevance to the language Moses used.  Much like when you accuse the Bible of being wrong because fractions did not exist when Solomon was alive.

[RV_Wizard]

2 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

You have demonstrated quite clearly what the word "unteachable" means and looks like.

The word is "incorruptible."  Your 17th century heresy supported with 20th century re-translations of the Bible has no validity whatsoever.

[FreeGrace]

1 hour ago, RV_Wizard said:

FreeGrace said:

You have demonstrated quite clearly what the word "unteachable" means and looks like.

The word is "incorruptible."

I know what word I chose.  So you are wrong again.  You've been shown the FACTS over and over.  You're so sunk on the theory of a young earth that you have no objectivity, with which to learn.  But at least you've been shown the FACTS.  What you do with them is your own business.

1 hour ago, RV_Wizard said:

  Your 17th century heresy supported with 20th century re-translations of the Bible has no validity whatsoever.

See what I mean?  Once again, the FACT has been pointed out to you that what Moses wrote around 1400 BC regarding "tohu wabohu" in Gen 1:2 was also the words chosen by Isaiah in around 700 BC and Jeremiah around 600 BC to describe TOTAL DESTRUCTION of the land.  Isa 34 and Jer 4 are the pertinent chapters.

And you have failed to explain how "tohu wabohu" can describe a stage of creation AND also describe total destruction of the land.  

So you can forget any 17th century theory or 20th century "re-translations".  Pure poppy cock.  

Denying reality isn't a good look.  But that's what you have done.  You're still stuck on a lousy Old English translation around 1100 AD for your misinformation.

I really don't know why you keep trying to prove something.  All you've done is reveal your failure to grasp the clear FACTS that you have been shown.

There is no such thing as a formless object.

tohu wabohu cannot describe both creation AND total destruction of the land.

The lousy KJV translation of Gen 1:2 CREATES a clear conflict with Isa 45:18 and you can't wriggle your way out of that.

These are the things that sunk your boat.  blub blub