Must see....the cold hearted words of Kamala Harris

[Debp]

Listen to her words....this is chilling.

 

[Neighbor]

The issue(s) of truancy  is way bigger than Harris. It affects every State of the USA. From my own perspective it is part of the "It takes a village" mentality espoused so strongly by  Hilary Rodham -Clinton, but in fact is policy at every State of the USA.

The hook is baited with government money allotted to schools:

Excerpt; 

All U.S. states and the District of Columbia have passed compulsory attendance laws (Reyes, 2020; FindLaw, n.d.). These laws typically have the following key elements:

• The mandate of attendance by children of a certain age range. Age range varies by state.

• Definitions of terms such as chronic absenteeism, truancy, lawful/unlawful absence, habitual truant, and excused/unexcused absence; or a mandate that districts must define these terms (e.g., Illinois, Iowa, and New Jersey require districts to set definitions).

• Exceptions and exemptions to the attendance requirements, such as if the student is attending home school or certified private tutoring, has already graduated, or is unable to benefit from school because of disabilities.

• Home school provisions, which describe the required instruction if a child is receiving a home- schooled education and is therefore exempt from compulsory school attendance laws.

  

2 | AIR.ORG AttendanceLegislationintheUnitedStates

• Penalties on parents/guardians if a child does not comply with compulsory attendance laws, as well as guidance on how many absent days make up a new offense (e.g., every day the student is absent is a new offense, every 5 days is a new offense), which may include the following:

  • –  Charges if a case is persistent (and often after investigation and/or mediation), such as misdemeanor charges of varying class and infraction; subject to imprisonment, usually limited to 30 days.1 States differ on whether truancy is a criminal offense or civil offense.

  • –  Fines, which vary widely by state2

  • –  Community service, typically if the parent cannot afford the fine

  • –  Placement in an education or counseling program (e.g., California, Maine)

• Penalties on children, if any, which may include the following:

  • –  Juvenile detention or referral to juvenile court

  • –  Driving privileges suspended (e.g., Florida, Iowa, Louisiana, New Mexico, West Virginia)

    Truancy and Chronic Absenteeism: Historically and Today

    How have truancy and chronic absenteeism legislation evolved over time? In what ways does legislation on these measures differ? Do states legislate schools and districts to address chronic absenteeism or truancy? Although the terms chronic absenteeism and truancy have different meanings and implications for students who do not attend school, they are often used interchangeably. However, these terms describe different aspects of our nation’s absenteeism problem and require different approaches to address. Although each state’s definition varies, truancy typically refers to students who do not attend school for a specific number of days or a specific percentage of the academic year without providing documentation to account for their absence (unexcused absences). Chronic absenteeism is broader and encompasses all absences a student may have (e.g., excused, unexcused, and suspensions) (Attendance Works, 2016). The nationwide crisis around attendance has only grown since the COVID-19 pandemic, with numerous states working to address chronic absenteeism and truancy (Attendance Works, 2022).

    The concept of truancy dates to the 19th century when states began implementing compulsory attendance laws; by 1918, all states had a law mandating school attendance (Goldstein, 2012). However, truancy was not a federal focus until the passage of the No Child Left Behind Act of 2001 (NCLB), when reporting truancy data became mandatory for states. Truancy was cited as one of the causes of low test scores, which could result in schools’ “failing” under the law. The federal government at the time went on to promote a truancy agenda that often endorsed anti-truancy laws with court-driven consequences for truant students and their parents (Goldstein, 2012).  - Full report at "AIR advancing Evidence ImprovingLives. Attendance informationinthe USA"

     

[Neighbor]

Walking "the perp" is a tactic of many policing agencies today. Especially thanks to the internet with all it's bloggers and influencers plus tv stations desperate for something to put on their programs.

Volusia County Fl. Sheriff Mike Chitwood  threatens to do that. If a child brings a gun to school the sheriff threatens to arrest the parents  and or guardian and give them a high profile perp walk as they  are arrested along with their child.

Seems like a grand idea to me!  Well until I thought it through more;  what if the parent is innocent or totally  unaware of the child's possession of a weapon, how do they get a fair trial if they have been perp walked before a trial ?

[Debp]

23 minutes ago, Neighbor said:

The issue(s) of truancy  is way bigger than Harris. It affects every State of the USA. From my own perspective it is part of the "It takes a village" mentality espoused so strongly by  Hilary Rodham -Clinton, but in fact is policy at every State of the USA.

The hook is baited with government money allotted to schools:

Excerpt; 

All U.S. states and the District of Columbia have passed compulsory attendance laws (Reyes, 2020; FindLaw, n.d.). These laws typically have the following key elements:

• The mandate of attendance by children of a certain age range. Age range varies by state.

• Definitions of terms such as chronic absenteeism, truancy, lawful/unlawful absence, habitual truant, and excused/unexcused absence; or a mandate that districts must define these terms (e.g., Illinois, Iowa, and New Jersey require districts to set definitions).

• Exceptions and exemptions to the attendance requirements, such as if the student is attending home school or certified private tutoring, has already graduated, or is unable to benefit from school because of disabilities.

• Home school provisions, which describe the required instruction if a child is receiving a home- schooled education and is therefore exempt from compulsory school attendance laws.

  

2 | AIR.ORG AttendanceLegislationintheUnitedStates

• Penalties on parents/guardians if a child does not comply with compulsory attendance laws, as well as guidance on how many absent days make up a new offense (e.g., every day the student is absent is a new offense, every 5 days is a new offense), which may include the following:

  • –  Charges if a case is persistent (and often after investigation and/or mediation), such as misdemeanor charges of varying class and infraction; subject to imprisonment, usually limited to 30 days.1 States differ on whether truancy is a criminal offense or civil offense.

  • –  Fines, which vary widely by state2

  • –  Community service, typically if the parent cannot afford the fine

  • –  Placement in an education or counseling program (e.g., California, Maine)

• Penalties on children, if any, which may include the following:

  • –  Juvenile detention or referral to juvenile court

  • –  Driving privileges suspended (e.g., Florida, Iowa, Louisiana, New Mexico, West Virginia)

    Truancy and Chronic Absenteeism: Historically and Today

    How have truancy and chronic absenteeism legislation evolved over time? In what ways does legislation on these measures differ? Do states legislate schools and districts to address chronic absenteeism or truancy? Although the terms chronic absenteeism and truancy have different meanings and implications for students who do not attend school, they are often used interchangeably. However, these terms describe different aspects of our nation’s absenteeism problem and require different approaches to address. Although each state’s definition varies, truancy typically refers to students who do not attend school for a specific number of days or a specific percentage of the academic year without providing documentation to account for their absence (unexcused absences). Chronic absenteeism is broader and encompasses all absences a student may have (e.g., excused, unexcused, and suspensions) (Attendance Works, 2016). The nationwide crisis around attendance has only grown since the COVID-19 pandemic, with numerous states working to address chronic absenteeism and truancy (Attendance Works, 2022).

    The concept of truancy dates to the 19th century when states began implementing compulsory attendance laws; by 1918, all states had a law mandating school attendance (Goldstein, 2012). However, truancy was not a federal focus until the passage of the No Child Left Behind Act of 2001 (NCLB), when reporting truancy data became mandatory for states. Truancy was cited as one of the causes of low test scores, which could result in schools’ “failing” under the law. The federal government at the time went on to promote a truancy agenda that often endorsed anti-truancy laws with court-driven consequences for truant students and their parents (Goldstein, 2012).  - Full report at "AIR advancing Evidence ImprovingLives. Attendance informationinthe USA"

     

Did you watch the video?

The mother had a daughter with sickle cell anemia so the child was often in the hospital.   The mother had notified the school about her daughter's serious illness.   They had doctor's notes for the school and also phoned the school whenever the girl was in the hospital.

After the mother was arrested complete with handcuffs and photo in the newspaper, Kamala assigned tough homicide prosecutors to try the mother for two years.

The mother lost her job and her home...and her young daughter had a stroke while her mom was being tried.

All of the above because Kamala neglected to investigate that the mother had notified the school about her daughter's illness which often required hospitalization.

 

[Neighbor]

2 hours ago, Debp said:

Did you watch the video?

 

Yes!

1 Did you read what I posted as additional information?

2 Have you personally  researched who actually  had this one woman arrested and then prosecuted her, and made note of what generally very conservative Republican county this prosecutor is from? If the information I read is correct was it not a prosector from Orange County California, and NOT  Kamala Harris as attorney general directly?  ???

 I have both sympathy and empathy for any parent challenged by law enforcement in the manner this woman is alleged to have been prosecuted  by an Orange County California prosecutor ( Presuming the information I have read stating it was an Orange County  prosecutor is correct); BUT  it is also a harsh fact that much street violence and theft in general is the work of those very children that should be in school and not out roaming around getting themselves in trouble. The stated intent that sells the laws to legislators of each State to enact this particular prosecution. is to prevent crime.

Seems every single State of the United States all 52 of them, plus the district of Columbia, have enacted laws as has California's law regarding the  recognized the problem of truancy and it's relationship to crime.

What is also a severe unresolved issue is the  use of these laws  as part of a general campaign against home schoolers and private school administration too. It is part of the it takes a village to raise a child excuse that  gets used to take away parental rights, making the State the keeper of all children- for the advancement of the State's interests and not necessarily any child nor parent's interest.

That particular battle I have been in since even before being a Christian- going back to as far as 1972 in Orange County California where I was told I am not to educate my children, that is the job of the State education system; that my educating my children interferes with the scheduled dispensing of information by the State run schools under the individual school districts.

I also faced  this same issue many times as the years went on,  at Florida as well, both as a parent  and also "helper" at two Christian schools and  a few home schooling groups.

There is IMO a very deliberate long term campaign to enforce government schooling of all young minds with a direct goal of making children grow up as compliant wards of and then graduates of the "State".

This goal and programs to bring it about dates back way before Kamala Harris; she is but another voice of the it takes a village crowd. One that uses a very real problem of crime by truant youth as  means to legitimize selectively those that do not acquiesce to the state's will.  

Kamala Harris did not legislate the law(s)  regarding parent responsibility, a whole State worth of elected representatives including a governor did that, just as it has  at every State of the union. To my mind it is a violation of early Supreme court(s) rulings that a minor is responsible for their own Torts. That no other person, parent nor guardian, is responsible for them unless the minor child is under direct supervision of  a parent or a guardian at the time.

Unfortunately courts have been breaking down that guidance for years now, especially  when it comes to civil damages by a minor.

 All these steps lead to the heavy hand of government raising all children, and parents becoming more simply  breeders.

 

[Neighbor]

Fascinating version of the history  on this issue. It evidently was Republican  Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger that made it California State law! And oddly enough  Present Democrat Governor Newsome that has led to the repeal of the law. 

See https://legalinsurrection.com/2024/09/newsom-signs-bill-reversing-harris-promoted-truancy-prosecution-law/

 

Ah the great duopoly.

[Patticats]

@Debp Quiet shocking that she goes after this but not real criminals? And she is proud of this! She allowed People who have murdered others, Terriorist, Gangs across the border and she is proud of this? Who is the real criminal?

[Debp]

6 hours ago, Neighbor said:

Yes!

1 Did you read what I posted as additional information?

2 Have you personally  researched who actually  had this one woman arrested and then prosecuted her, and made note of what generally very conservative Republican county this prosecutor is from? If the information I read is correct was it not a prosector from Orange County California, and NOT  Kamala Harris as attorney general directly?  ???

 I have both sympathy and empathy for any parent challenged by law enforcement in the manner this woman is alleged to have been prosecuted  by an Orange County California prosecutor ( Presuming the information I have read stating it was an Orange County  prosecutor is correct); BUT  it is also a harsh fact that much street violence and theft in general is the work of those very children that should be in school and not out roaming around getting themselves in trouble. The stated intent that sells the laws to legislators of each State to enact this particular prosecution. is to prevent crime.

Seems every single State of the United States all 52 of them, plus the district of Columbia, have enacted laws as has California's law regarding the  recognized the problem of truancy and it's relationship to crime.

What is also a severe unresolved issue is the  use of these laws  as part of a general campaign against home schoolers and private school administration too. It is part of the it takes a village to raise a child excuse that  gets used to take away parental rights, making the State the keeper of all children- for the advancement of the State's interests and not necessarily any child nor parent's interest.

That particular battle I have been in since even before being a Christian- going back to as far as 1972 in Orange County California where I was told I am not to educate my children, that is the job of the State education system; that my educating my children interferes with the scheduled dispensing of information by the State run schools under the individual school districts.

I also faced  this same issue many times as the years went on,  at Florida as well, both as a parent  and also "helper" at two Christian schools and  a few home schooling groups.

There is IMO a very deliberate long term campaign to enforce government schooling of all young minds with a direct goal of making children grow up as compliant wards of and then graduates of the "State".

This goal and programs to bring it about dates back way before Kamala Harris; she is but another voice of the it takes a village crowd. One that uses a very real problem of crime by truant youth as  means to legitimize selectively those that do not acquiesce to the state's will.  

Kamala Harris did not legislate the law(s)  regarding parent responsibility, a whole State worth of elected representatives including a governor did that, just as it has  at every State of the union. To my mind it is a violation of early Supreme court(s) rulings that a minor is responsible for their own Torts. That no other person, parent nor guardian, is responsible for them unless the minor child is under direct supervision of  a parent or a guardian at the time.

Unfortunately courts have been breaking down that guidance for years now, especially  when it comes to civil damages by a minor.

 All these steps lead to the heavy hand of government raising all children, and parents becoming more simply  breeders.

 

Yes, I read it.

But Kamala Harris by her own words in the video bragged about prosecuting the parents of truant children.    Kamala bragged about being able to destroy lives with the "stroke of her pen."

The letter the mother received warning her was signed by Kamala Harris.   When the police showed up to arrest the mother of the often hospitalized child....the police said talk to Kamala Harris when the mother said she did nothing wrong.

The Orange County DA was following orders from Kamala Harris.   Also, in the video, Kamala bragged and laughed about having tough homicide and gang prosecutors prosecute these parents.

The video shows how proud, bragging, Kamala was to be able to destroy people's lives.   She took glee in that.    Anyone else would have just simply said what they would do.

[Neighbor]

Fascinating  history  on this issue. Seems Republican and Democrats alike  have at some point endorsed  and promoted it in one fashion or another. Our Florida sheriff  that I mentioned was  delighted it seemed to be threatening to perp walk parents. So delighted he could hardly contain himself in describing how tough he was going to be in shamming parents and treating their kids as adults.

Today there are numerous videos playing of  Trumpites at his rally yesterday saying   we need to go wipe out all "those other people" at his Madison Square Garden rally and denigrating Puerto Ricans.  

Could the USA find two worse individuals to run for the Presidency?  No, I don't think that even if that were the goal it could be done. Oh Lord help us get through this disgrace that is upon us as a nation of what I think are good peoples.

[Debp]

3 hours ago, Neighbor said:

Today there are numerous videos playing of  Trumpites at his rally yesterday saying   we need to go wipe out all "those other people" at his Madison Square Garden rally and denigrating Puerto Ricans.  

We need proof of those videos saying to wipe out those other people.   I don't think most Trump supporters would say that.

As to the Puerto Rico remarks, I understand they were made by a comedian.   I heard that both Republicans and Democrats condemned those remarks.