What is the proof Jesus is eternally begotten son?

[grahampaul]

On 12/3/2024 at 4:42 AM, Your closest friendnt said:

I only will comment on the first part of your post. 

I am not pleased with the way you attempted to intrepid my statement. 

Can you please try again considering that Jesus was subject to prove himself in full obedience to the Heavenly Father. If he disobeyed him this would be a failed mission even if he die on the Cross. 

One prerequisite for his death on the Cross to open the way to Heaven for mankind for Jesus to die in full obedience to the Heavenly Father. Which is some of the things we know and a lot of other things the Father had asked him that we do not know. 

Does that not is telling that Jesus was subject to the Judgement of the Heavenly Father. 

This is while he was a Servant because he came as a Servant in his mission before his death on the Cross  

In Revelation one John discribed Jesus in his Glory.

Everything became became new after the Cross and His resurrection. 

Your comments about Jesus after the resurrection must and should showed that everything became new. 

I did not say that they are not taking to each other. I only said that Jesus Christ is Lord and the King of all the kings of the earth. He will never be judged by anyone and no one can bring an accusation against him. 

In everything became new it includes that Jesus Christ is Lord and He knows what to do. The Heavenly Father is not telling him what to do, and how to do anything giving him commandments and him having to obey them in the way it was before the Cross when he came as a Servant and if not then His mission on the Cross will not be accomplished. He will not be the perfect Lamb Anymore. 

We are secured to be with  God eternally because we are in Him and He is with God.

As He is so we are by grace through faith as to include every little one who believes in him.

well spoken, one needs and indeed should heed this edification.

[Luther]

On 12/4/2024 at 1:57 AM, Your closest friendnt said:

In the second part of your post a statement has been made "( I have to tell you that there will be many " Christians" in the end that WON'T believe that Jesus Christ is Lord, because I believe they will be deceived into thinking otherwise, never being truly born again."

Please fill in the blanks. How they will believe in Jesus Christ then, if they do not believe that Jesus Christ is the Judge of all people from the beginning of the world. 

God has appointed Jesus Christ to Judge the world. God will judge the world through Jesus Christ.  

Do they will believe that Jesus Christ died for the forgiveness of their sins? 

Thank you for giving me this opportunity to explain. It's theoretical at this point in time, so I never want to be dogmatic with certain things. You see, there are laws that have been passed by our government since 1991 that will one day possibly come to fruition, that will effect any Christian that openly professes that Jesus Christ is Lord.

The first " law" is essentially " not to worship idols" , meaning in the perspective of " the courts of justice" that there is only one God, and to worship Jesus would be considered  "idolatry" ( God forbid), punishable by death. The "many Christians" I mentioned will be those who will not believe that Jesus Christ is God, but a separate entity of God. This teaching has been and is always been accepted by many Christians, perhaps unknowingly. In fact you see the arguments all the time. 

I believe that most of  "Christianity" at some point will believe that lie, because  they never had the Spirit of God dwelling in them, so they will easily capitulate for the sake of obedience to this " law". And in their hearts and minds they will not believe that they are any less a "Christian". 

But like I've said before to some who think the " Triune God" is not Biblical, that  understanding ( whether our finite minds can understand or not) is a foundational doctrine for the true believer. There are demonic people/ forces that really do hate our Lord and Savior, and will go to any length to  "make war"( Rev. 11:7-12) with those in Christ.

Pretty deep. Let me know what you think. 

 

[Your closest friendnt]

23 minutes ago, Luther said:

Thank you for giving me this opportunity to explain. It's theoretical at this point in time, so I never want to be dogmatic with certain things. You see, there are laws that have been passed by our government since 1991 that will one day possibly come to fruition, that will effect any Christian that openly professes that Jesus Christ is Lord.

The first " law" is essentially " not to worship idols" , meaning in the perspective of " the courts of justice" that there is only one God, and to worship Jesus would be considered  "idolatry" ( God forbid), punishable by death. The "many Christians" I mentioned will be those who will not believe that Jesus Christ is God, but a separate entity of God. This teaching has been and is always been accepted by many Christians, perhaps unknowingly. In fact you see the arguments all the time. 

I believe that most of  "Christianity" at some point will believe that lie, because  they never had the Spirit of God dwelling in them, so they will easily capitulate for the sake of obedience to this " law". And in their hearts and minds they will not believe that they are any less a "Christian". 

But like I've said before to some who think the " Triune God" is not Biblical, that  understanding ( whether our finite minds can understand or not) is a foundational doctrine for the true believer. There are demonic people/ forces that really do hate our Lord and Savior, and will go to any length to  "make war"( Rev. 11:7-12) with those in Christ.

Pretty deep. Let me know what you think. 

 

To begin with is about the Parliament deciding to pass a law back in time in 1991. 

The discussion it is then about this law. 

At this time we do not have the specific words of the Law, and statute and a lot of other things relevant to presidents in courts including discussions in appeal courts to help us understand the intent of the legislation and the discussion that took place in the legislation when they put the law up for voting or approval and for final approval. And all the definitions that come with it.

What do the legislation meant with Idolatry? Does it have to do anything with atheism? 

Are there other laws pass latter on that allows freedom of religion and Idolatry is a religion. Hinduism is a religion. They have their religious celebrations and spiritual beliefs.  

The intent of the legislation it never meant to be used for prosecution of Christians groups because of their doctrinal beliefs. 

Those who voted for the passage of this law were from mixed Christian groups the majority of them. 

These laws to whatever they were they are repealed not in effect because other laws have passed that protect anyone from religions discrimination and there is freedom of religion. 

On the other hand is there a record of anyone who has been prosecuted on this law including appeals. This law never meant to take side on Cristian doctrines. To be used by the Government to establish their beliefs on others by a law. Only in Muslim countries. If I am correct. To some not as much as others. The very extreme to the lesser extreme. 

 

[Luther]

5 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

To begin with is about the Parliament deciding to pass a law back in time in 1991. 

The discussion it is then about this law. 

At this time we do not have the specific words of the Law, and statute and a lot of other things relevant to presidents in courts including discussions in appeal courts to help us understand the intent of the legislation and the discussion that took place in the legislation when they put the law up for voting or approval and for final approval. And all the definitions that come with it.

What do the legislation meant with Idolatry? Does it have to do anything with atheism? 

Are there other laws pass latter on that allows freedom of religion and Idolatry is a religion. Hinduism is a religion. They have their religious celebrations and spiritual beliefs.  

The intent of the legislation it never meant to be used for prosecution of Christians groups because of their doctrinal beliefs. 

Those who voted for the passage of this law were from mixed Christian groups the majority of them. 

These laws to whatever they were they are repealed not in effect because other laws have passed that protect anyone from religions discrimination and there is freedom of religion. 

On the other hand is there a record of anyone who has been prosecuted on this law including appeals. This law never meant to take side on Cristian doctrines. To be used by the Government to establish their beliefs on others by a law. Only in Muslim countries. If I am correct. To some not as much as others. The very extreme to the lesser extreme. 

 

The legislation is evil, and is meant to one day remove true Christians off the face of the earth, if it goes that way. I'm thinking that Jesus will come around that time. The problem is with how the law is perceived. Most of those who are cohearsed into making it law do not realize that the ones who made the law up consider Christ to be an idol ( God forbid). They might be thinking yeah, no idols, of course that's a good thing. It comes down to the source of the laws themselves, not the baphoons that are bought and paid for to make it legislation. 

[Your closest friendnt]

2 hours ago, Luther said:

The legislation is evil, and is meant to one day remove true Christians off the face of the earth, if it goes that way. I'm thinking that Jesus will come around that time. The problem is with how the law is perceived. Most of those who are cohearsed into making it law do not realize that the ones who made the law up consider Christ to be an idol ( God forbid). They might be thinking yeah, no idols, of course that's a good thing. It comes down to the source of the laws themselves, not the baphoons that are bought and paid for to make it legislation. 

Hope that you are award that you are making things up.

And nothing wrong for making things up. 

The fact that someone thought about them and believe them it can animate them to be true to sound as a possible truth. 

The fact a statement is made using the words "true Christians" does not make true. Or the other ones are not accepted by Jesus Christ. 

All that are not call truth Christians definitely they are called Christians and it matters for Jesus Christ. 

If they believe in him no one can judge their faith by their own standards and they can but cannot remove their faith in him. At the end their faith in him Remains. Please do not judge the faith of other believers. You can call one another truth Christians. What is the difference between a truth or not truth one. How can you tell? 

[Luther]

2 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Hope that you are award that you are making things up.

And nothing wrong for making things up. 

The fact that someone thought about them and believe them it can animate them to be true to sound as a possible truth. 

The fact a statement is made using the words "true Christians" does not make true. Or the other ones are not accepted by Jesus Christ. 

All that are not call truth Christians definitely they are called Christians and it matters for Jesus Christ. 

If they believe in him no one can judge their faith by their own standards and they can but cannot remove their faith in him. At the end their faith in him Remains. Please do not judge the faith of other believers. You can call one another truth Christians. What is the difference between a truth or not truth one. How can you tell? 

Oh please don't misunderstand. It's not about judging others. The Bible clarifies that anyone who is born of the Spirit of God is a "Christian" or " born-again Christian". For the purposes of distinguishing them from those who say they are Christians and are not ( not being born again), I say " true believer". It's not that I know who is and who isn't ( I know that's God's business) , it's for the purpose of the context of the dialogue. 

Christians in name only who are in the government can be lured into anti- Christ activity. A true believer will not be. They'll quit their job. That's the difference. 

[Your closest friendnt]

On 12/7/2024 at 5:29 PM, Luther said:

Oh please don't misunderstand. It's not about judging others. The Bible clarifies that anyone who is born of the Spirit of God is a "Christian" or " born-again Christian". For the purposes of distinguishing them from those who say they are Christians and are not ( not being born again), I say " true believer". It's not that I know who is and who isn't ( I know that's God's business) , it's for the purpose of the context of the dialogue. 

Christians in name only who are in the government can be lured into anti- Christ activity. A true believer will not be. They'll quit their job. That's the difference. 

There are a few issues raised in your post worthy to be discussed. 

One of them is the misuse of the term "born again".

Jn the Gospel of John chapter 3 Jesus used this term in his conversation with Nicodemus who was a righteous man according to the Law of the Sinai Covenant. 

A man in the yearly Atonement of their religious Calendar and without sin and clean according to their religious rituals. Clean from any polution. 

And it was before the Cross during the rein of the Sinai Covenant.  

Please describe the context you have used and apply this term which often used in our religious discussions so I can relate to your definition. 

[Luther]

1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said:

There are a few issues raised in your post worthy to be discussed. 

One of them is the misuse of the term "born again".

Jn the Gospel of John chapter 3 Jesus used this term in his conversation with Nicodemus who was a righteous man according to the Law of the Sinai Covenant. 

A man in the yearly Atonement of their religious Calendar and without sin and clean according to their religious rituals. Clean from any polution. 

And it was before the Cross during the rein of the Sinai Covenant.  

Please describe the context you have used and apply this term which often used in our religious discussions so I can relate to your definition. 

Born of the Spirit of God, or being " born from above". 

[Your closest friendnt]

10 minutes ago, Luther said:

Born of the Spirit of God, or being " born from above". 

Thank you. This is what Jesus said to Nicodemus at the very beginning and before he spoke the words in our discussion. 

Jesus told Nicodemus that he is not born from above. And that God has a plan to have a new family whose members are born from the Spirit of God from above. 

And that will take place when Jesus will die on the Cross. 

Jesus also foretold that Nicodemus will be a witness to his death and he told him what he will see before it happens. Jesus described the manner of his death tob

He also told him that there is no need for a ritual for someone to be born from above. That it will  happen by the way God will put in place any time soon.  

Later we learn when the Gospel was preached to the Jews that it happens when  everyone believes in Jesus Christ after his death on the Cross. 

The question to put before anyone is if they believe that Jesus Christ died for the forgiveness of their sins. 

If they say yes then you must and you should inform your  self and accept that they are born from above. 

This is according to the scriptures. 

Can you please tell me how you believe that it happens in your statement above

"Born of the Spirit of God, or being " born from above". 

[Luther]

18 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Thank you. This is what Jesus said to Nicodemus at the very beginning and before he spoke the words in our discussion. 

Jesus told Nicodemus that he is not born from above. And that God has a plan to have a new family whose members are born from the Spirit of God from above. 

And that will take place when Jesus will die on the Cross. 

Jesus also foretold that Nicodemus will be a witness to his death and he told him what he will see before it happens. Jesus described the manner of his death tob

He also told him that there is no need for a ritual for someone to be born from above. That it will  happen by the way God will put in place any time soon.  

Later we learn when the Gospel was preached to the Jews that it happens when  everyone believes in Jesus Christ after his death on the Cross. 

The question to put before anyone is if they believe that Jesus Christ died for the forgiveness of their sins. 

If they say yes then you must and you should inform your  self and accept that they are born from above. 

This is according to the scriptures. 

Can you please tell me how you believe that it happens in your statement above

"Born of the Spirit of God, or being " born from above". 

I deeply believe that because God knows the end from the beginning, He certainly knows who His children are. Since it is impossible to please God with our current sin- cursed body and soul, we cannot have an eternal relationship with Him. So He has to initiate that relationship.

In His good pleasure He chose perhaps millions of us humans even before the world began to be with Him into eternity future. In order to be able to stand before Him guiltless, He became the Lamb slain from the foundation of the earth to take away our sins. He came to earth to demonstrate that love for us by going to the Cross. 

So, for any person ordained to eternal life, they can receive the Holy Spirit at any point in their life, even in the womb. God puts His Spirit in us first, the we respond (not choosing whether to except His Spirit or not), but wholeheartedly believing on Him. The  critical aspect of His plan is the hearing of His Word, when mixed with the faith of Christ, in our appointed time of salvation. This is literally a mystery how God does this. 

Many of us know basically when God opened our eyes, but the Spirit was working in us for however long. And just in God's appointed time, through the hearing of faith, we are SEALED. 

Then we can truly believe, trust, confess, and recognize our Savior.