Some Who Call Themselves 'Christian' Will Not Inherit the Kingdom of God?

[FreeGrace]

1 hour ago, BornAgain490 said:

Perhaps. 

The false professor could be the one living in unrepented immorality, it could be the most morally upright fellow in the congregation, it could be the pastor. 

I've shown many verses that clearly show that believers can live self absorbed, immoral lifestyles.  But you are free to believe whatever you want.

[BornAgain490]

1 hour ago, FreeGrace said:

So then, you don't understand Eph 2:5 and 8 then?

No one can boast of understanding the gospel promise and trusting that what God says is true.  

Oh, yes, I understand it completely. Salvation is entirely of God's grace.  My faith is a gift by the grace of God.  

[BornAgain490]

1 hour ago, FreeGrace said:

I've shown you the verses.

God showed me those verses and what "IN" means, which is plain:  You'll have no inheritance IN the kingdom because you're not an heir.  You're twisting one word of Scripture to mean something it clearly doesn’t mean. That is sad.  

[BornAgain490]

1 hour ago, FreeGrace said:

I've shown many verses that clearly show that believers can live self absorbed, immoral lifestyles.  But you are free to believe whatever you want.

How many times can someone, after professing to be in Christ, physically commit murder and you will still call him your brother in Christ? 

Edited December 17, 2024 by BornAgain490

[FreeGrace]

31 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

FreeGrace said:

So then, you don't understand Eph 2:5 and 8 then?

No one can boast of understanding the gospel promise and trusting that what God says is true.  

Oh, yes, I understand it completely.

How can you, when you believe that faith is a gift and regeneration/salvation precedes faith, when the Bible plainly says the opposite?

31 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

Salvation is entirely of God's grace.  My faith is a gift by the grace of God.  

In the Greek, words are connected by the gender.

v.8 - For it is by grace you have been saved (masculine), through faith (feminine) —and this is not from yourselves, it is (masculine) the gift (neuter) of God—

These are the FACTS.  The words "saved" and "it is" which references back to "saved" are both masculine, while "faith" is feminine.  Therefore, faith is NOT a "gift from God".

Genders don't lie.

[FreeGrace]

37 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

God showed me those verses and what "IN" means, which is plain:  You'll have no inheritance IN the kingdom because you're not an heir.

God never "shows" anyone false information.  Quit kidding yourself.  There is NOTHING in any of the 3 parallel passages that state the person will not enter the kingdom.

And Eph 5:5 proves that "have no inheritance" means the same as "no inheritance IN the kingdom, which says nothing about not entering the kingdom.

None of us have the right to "self-interpret" Scripture.  The plain words refute your views.

37 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

  You're twisting one word of Scripture to mean something it clearly doesn’t mean. That is sad.  

That is what you are doing.  I've easily shown from Scripture that believers won't earn any inheritance because of sinful disobedient lifestyles, obviously.

You're making sin the issue here.  But Jesus paid the sin debt for everyone.  I guess you don't believe that either.  There are many verses say plainly say that Christ died for all.  Not, "all kinds of."  

That is twisting Scripture to fit your own personal theology.  Let the Bible speak for itself.  It's clear enough.

[FreeGrace]

33 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

How many times can someone, after professing to be in Christ, physically commit murder and you will still call him your brother in Christ? 

So is that the problem?  You just can't imagine that what's "horrible" to you will keep those people out of the kingdom?

Don't you see what you are doing?  You are making sin the issue, when Christ paid the full sin debt.  He left nothing out.  All man has to do is believe what God has promised.

Apparently you don't believe that either.
Didn't 2 Thess 3:14,15 convince you?  Why didn't it?

Don't you know that King David, as a mature believer, had Uriah murdered and Nathan the prophet told David what God was holding HIM liable for it.  Oh, and David raped his wife.  In the ancient world, the king was truly sovereign.  Whatever he said, went.  David wanted Bathsheba and his henchmen got her and brought her back.  Did she have a choice?  Of course not.  He was king.  He could have anyone killed just by saying so, like he did with Uriah.

It seems you're not very familiar with the Bible.  More study will help you.

[FreeGrace]

39 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

How many times can someone, after professing to be in Christ, physically commit murder and you will still call him your brother in Christ? 

btw, 2 Thess 3:14,15 tells us (along with 1 Cor 6) to avoid believers who live lives of sin.  But "Take special note of anyone who does not obey our instruction in this letter. Do not associate with them, in order that they may feel ashamed. Yet do not regard them as an enemy, but warn them as you would a fellow believer."

How is this not clear?  It's very clear.  Paul is telling the faithful believers at Thessalonica to "not associate with them" BUT BUT BUT don't "regard them as an enemy, but WARN them as you would a fellow believer".

Why in the world would Paul ask believers to warn unbelievers AS IF they were fellow believers???  How would that be helpful to any unbeliever.

Don't they instead, need to be WARNED of the lake of fire for lack of faith in Christ?

How would warning an unbeliever as if he were a believer do him/her any good?

The only thing I can think of is that you must think that lifestyle determines whether one goes to heaven or hell.  That is the view from what you have posted.

And that couldn't be more wrong.  Such a view totally misunderstands grace.

[BornAgain490]

10 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

So is that the problem?  You just can't imagine that what's "horrible" to you will keep those people out of the kingdom?

Don't you see what you are doing?  You are making sin the issue, when Christ paid the full sin debt.  He left nothing out.  All man has to do is believe what God has promised.

Apparently you don't believe that either.
Didn't 2 Thess 3:14,15 convince you?  Why didn't it?

Don't you know that King David, as a mature believer, had Uriah murdered and Nathan the prophet told David what God was holding HIM liable for it.  Oh, and David raped his wife.  In the ancient world, the king was truly sovereign.  Whatever he said, went.  David wanted Bathsheba and his henchmen got her and brought her back.  Did she have a choice?  Of course not.  He was king.  He could have anyone killed just by saying so, like he did with Uriah.

It seems you're not very familiar with the Bible.  More study will help you.

So your answer to my question is ...?

[BornAgain490]

23 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

How can you, when you believe that faith is a gift and regeneration/salvation precedes faith, when the Bible plainly says the opposite?

In the Greek, words are connected by the gender.

v.8 - For it is by grace you have been saved (masculine), through faith (feminine) —and this is not from yourselves, it is (masculine) the gift (neuter) of God—

These are the FACTS.  The words "saved" and "it is" which references back to "saved" are both masculine, while "faith" is feminine.  Therefore, faith is NOT a "gift from God".

Genders don't lie.

"Quia isto articulo stante stat Ecclesia, ruente ruit Ecclesia.

"Martin Luther penned those Latin words to magnify the importance of sola fide (the doctrine of justification by faith alone). Roughly translated, Luther is saying, “If this article [of justification] stands, the church stands; if this article collapses, the church collapses.” Luther had good reason to place such weighty importance on this precious truth. Salvation by faith alone—apart from works—is the biblical truth that separates Christianity and every other religion.

Saving faith is distinct from every works-righteous system because it isn’t the result of human effort. In the same way that repentance is granted by God (Acts 11:18; 2 Tim. 2:25), faith is also a supernatural gift of God. Ephesians 2:8–9 affirms this: “By grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.”

Our response in salvation is faith, but even that is “not of [ourselves], it is the gift of God.” Faith is nothing that we do in our own power or by our own resources. In the first place, we do not have adequate power or resources. Moreover, God would not want us to rely on them even if we had them. Otherwise salvation would be in part by our own works, and we would have some ground to boast in ourselves. Paul’s emphasis in Ephesians 2:8 is that even faith does not come from us apart from God’s giving it. Human effort has nothing to do with it (cf.Romans 3:20; Galatians 2:16), and thus no one should boast, as if he contributed any part.

Spiritually dead, we were helpless until God intervened to quicken us: “Even when we were dead in our transgressions, [God] made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved)” (Ephesians 2:5). Faith is an integral part of the gift His grace bestowed on us.

Scripture consistently teaches that faith is not conjured up by the human will but is a sovereignly granted gift of God. Jesus said, “No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him” (John 6:44). And “No one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father” (John 6:65). Acts 3:16 speaks of “the faith which comes through Him.” Philippians 1:29 says, “To you it has been granted for Christ’s sake . . . to believe in Him.” And Peter wrote to fellow believers as “those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours” (2 Peter 1:1).

 

How do we know that faith is God’s gift? Left to ourselves, no one would ever believe: “There is none who understands, there is none who seeks for God” (Romans 3:11). “So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy” (Romans 9:16). God draws the sinner to Christ and gives the ability to believe. Without that divinely generated faith, one cannot understand and approach the Savior. “A natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised” (1 Corinthians 2:14). That is precisely why when Peter affirmed his faith in Christ as the Son of God, Jesus told him, “Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven” (Matthew 16:17). Faith is graciously given to believers by God himself.

 

As a divine gift, faith is neither transient nor impotent. It has an abiding quality that guarantees that it will endure to the end. The familiar words of Habakkuk 2:4, “The righteous will live by his faith” (cf. Romans 1:17; Galatians 3:11; Hebrews 10:38), speak not of a momentary act of believing, but of a living, enduring trust in God. Hebrews 3:14 emphasizes the permanence of genuine faith. Its very durability is proof of its reality: “We have become partakers of Christ, if we hold fast the beginning of our assurance firm until the end.” The faith God gives 

can never evaporate. And the work of salvation cannot ultimately be thwarted (cf. John 10:27–29). In Philippians 1:6 Paul wrote, “I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus” (cf. 1 Corinthians 1:8; Colossians 1:22–23).

For those reasons, saving faith is nothing like the fickleness of wavering human belief. It is as enduring and unchanging as the God who grants it."

I'll go with this of the Master's Seminary as opposed to the on-line easy-believist.