Jesus' Incarnation Includes Us!

[Vine Abider]

At this morning's Sunday gathering, a brother gave a message about the incarnation of Christ.  I sort of thought to myself, "Well we've all heard this Xmas story before, but let's see if he brings out anything new."  And on one hand I would say he did (but on the other hand, nothing that different that we haven't heard before regarding God's eternal purpose).

But the brother did help us connect the dots in a fresh way!

Here's my summary of what he shared: This time of year much of the world is celebrating the incarnation of God as the Man, Jesus.  But this Man had His eye set on a bigger incarnation --> He was the One Grain that was to fall into the ground to die, that the many grains could be produced, namely His ekklesia (aka church, body, bride, building)!

The world gets all fixated upon the Baby Jesus this time of year, but His purpose was to come and save man from the enemy, so that He could put His life into us.  It's this incarnation - Christ in us - that was His real goal, and the sharing brother presented dozens of verses supporting that purpose.  We're in Christ and He's in us, and many sons are now being brought into His glory!  

"And now the God of peace will crush Satan under your feet shortly."  Romans 16:20  

[AdHoc]

1 hour ago, Vine Abider said:

At this morning's Sunday gathering, a brother gave a message about the incarnation of Christ.  I sort of thought to myself, "Well we've all heard this Xmas story before, but let's see if he brings out anything new."  And on one hand I would say he did (but on the other hand, nothing that different that we haven't heard before regarding God's eternal purpose).

But the brother did help us connect the dots in a fresh way!

Here's my summary of what he shared: This time of year much of the world is celebrating the incarnation of God as the Man, Jesus.  But this Man had His eye set on a bigger incarnation --> He was the One Grain that was to fall into the ground to die, that the many grains could be produced, namely His ekklesia (aka church, body, bride, building)!

The world gets all fixated upon the Baby Jesus this time of year, but His purpose was to come and save man from the enemy, so that He could put His life into us.  It's this incarnation - Christ in us - that was His real goal, and the sharing brother presented dozens of verses supporting that purpose.  We're in Christ and He's in us, and many sons are now being brought into His glory!  

"And now the God of peace will crush Satan under your feet shortly."  Romans 16:20  

YES! Our Lord Jesus did everything FIRST for the Father's glory, then only to profit us. The incarnation is an invisible God displaying Himself while shielding His creation from the consequences of this glory by "veiling it" with His Body. 

16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, ... 1st Tim.3:16.

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. (Jn.1:14).

[Your closest friendnt]

On 12/15/2024 at 4:43 PM, Vine Abider said:

At this morning's Sunday gathering, a brother gave a message about the incarnation of Christ.  I sort of thought to myself, "Well we've all heard this Xmas story before, but let's see if he brings out anything new."  And on one hand I would say he did (but on the other hand, nothing that different that we haven't heard before regarding God's eternal purpose).

But the brother did help us connect the dots in a fresh way!

Here's my summary of what he shared: This time of year much of the world is celebrating the incarnation of God as the Man, Jesus.  But this Man had His eye set on a bigger incarnation --> He was the One Grain that was to fall into the ground to die, that the many grains could be produced, namely His ekklesia (aka church, body, bride, building)!

The world gets all fixated upon the Baby Jesus this time of year, but His purpose was to come and save man from the enemy, so that He could put His life into us.  It's this incarnation - Christ in us - that was His real goal, and the sharing brother presented dozens of verses supporting that purpose.  We're in Christ and He's in us, and many sons are now being brought into His glory!  

"And now the God of peace will crush Satan under your feet shortly."  Romans 16:20  

What I don't like is when people are using words that were not used in the scriptures. And why? Do you have any good reason to do this. Has anyone told you that the words inspired by God and spoken by Angels and the Holy Spirit are not the proper ones? 

Jesus was not incarnate. Not according to the eastern religions. If you asked them they will tell you why? 

Herod said that Jesus was the Incarnation of John the Baptist.  There you are Herod who was educated in these matters he gave an example of Incarnation. The Hindus will tell you about Incarnation and we will always have the involvement of a man and a woman but never an Incarnation is possible with just a woman. 

The prophetic of Jesus has nothing to do with Incarnation. 

Jesus calling himself the "Son of Man" has never been associated with Incarnation. 

The Preist associated this to a man that he is unlikely to anyother man. And they associated this with the Son of God. The Messiah the New MAN on earth unlikely any other man. Higher than a Jew. A man that never walked the earth before. A man to Host  the Spirit of the Heavenly Father. The first ever. The man on earth before him John the Baptist was not recognized as one. The Holy Spirit from the Heavenly Father did not recognize him. He recognized only Jesus and rested only on Jesus, or was given for clarity only to Jesus. What does it mean that was given only to Jesus when he was thirty years old. It means that the time to be anointed with the Anointing from the Heavenly Father had come who spoke and gave the testimony that the time of Jesus to pick up the Cross and follow in his will to die on the Cross had come. Jesus knew that he will die on the Cross or for emphasis that he must die on the Cross. And the Holy Spirit took him immediately to the desert and for forty days Jesus spent his time with the Holy Spirit ALONE. 

Edited December 17, 2024 by Your closest friendnt

[Vine Abider]

8 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

What I don't like is when people are using words that were not used in the scriptures. And why? Do you have any good reason to do this. Has anyone told you that the words inspired by God and spoken by Angels and the Holy Spirit are not the proper ones? 

Jesus was not incarnate. Not according to the eastern religions. If you asked them they will tell you why? 

Not sure your point - are you comparing the idea of incarnation in eastern religions with the biblical account, or do you have a problem with the use of the word incarnation applying to Christ? (or both?)

Incarnation definition (Oxford): a person who embodies in the flesh a deity, spirit, or abstract quality.

QUESTION - Do you see Christ as God manifested in the flesh?

[Your closest friendnt]

John 8:12  ESV 

 

I Am the Light of the World

¹² Again Jesus spoke to them, saying, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.” 

 The “I am” statements found in the Gospel of John are the bread of life (6:35), the light of the world (8:12), the door (10:7), the good shepherd (10:11, 14), the resurrection and the life (11:25), the way the truth and the life (14:6) and the true vine (15:1).

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, Vine Abider said:

Not sure your point - are you comparing the idea of incarnation in eastern religions with the biblical account, or do you have a problem with the use of the word incarnation applying to Christ? (or both?)

Incarnation definition (Oxford): a person who embodies in the flesh a deity, spirit, or abstract quality.

QUESTION - Do you see Christ as God manifested in the flesh?

All the testimonies about Jesus will never justify the use of the world incarnate as applied to Jesus or to anyone else. Even if you use the words of Oxford no matter how you will play the cards.

Jesus said that I am the "the Son of Man".  

Jesus talked about the prophetic that it applied to the Messiah to the promised one to come from God. Jesus applied these prophetic statements to himself. 

Jesus identified him self as "The Son of Man". 

He was telling the people that I am the one you have been waiting for to come from God. I am the new Man on earth. I am the "Son of Man". Jesus said I am from theHeavenlyFather. God gave his testimony that Jesus was his Son, his only Son

He said that I am the light and the truth and the way.

Jesus was telling them that he was the door to the Heavenly Father. 

That no one has gone through the door yet because the door is not open yet or the door is not put in place yet. Or he is not standing by the door yet to let anyone through yet. 

[Your closest friendnt]

2 hours ago, Vine Abider said:

Not sure your point - are you comparing the idea of incarnation in eastern religions with the biblical account, or do you have a problem with the use of the word incarnation applying to Christ? (or both?)

Incarnation definition (Oxford): a person who embodies in the flesh a deity, spirit, or abstract quality.

QUESTION - Do you see Christ as God manifested in the flesh?

Wikipedia 

incarn; to become covered with flesh, to heal over. (transitive) To make carnal; to reduce the spiritual nature of. (transitive, figurative) To put into or represent in a concrete form, as an idea.

[Vine Abider]

57 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

All the testimonies about Jesus will never justify the use of the world incarnate as applied to Jesus or to anyone else. Even if you use the words of Oxford no matter how you will play the cards.

Jesus said that I am the "the Son of Man".  

Jesus talked about the prophetic that it applied to the Messiah to the promised one to come from God. Jesus applied these prophetic statements to himself. 

Jesus identified him self as "The Son of Man". 

He was telling the people that I am the one you have been waiting for to come from God. I am the new Man on earth. I am the "Son of Man". Jesus said I am from theHeavenlyFather. God gave his testimony that Jesus was his Son, his only Son

He said that I am the light and the truth and the way.

Jesus was telling them that he was the door to the Heavenly Father. 

That no one has gone through the door yet because the door is not open yet or the door is not put in place yet. Or he is not standing by the door yet to let anyone through yet. 

It is wonderful that He usually refers to Himself as "the Son of Man."  As it says in 2 Cor 5:19, "God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself."  He could only die in our place if He was fully man, and He was.  Therefore He could purchase us, as it says in Acts 20:28, "The church of God, which He purchased with His own blood."

However, while being fully man, Jesus was also fully God, as is stated in Colossians 2:9  "In Him all the fullness of the Godhead dwells in bodily form."  You just can't get any more God into the flesh of man than that, can you?  (i.e., all means all)

[Michael37]

1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Wikipedia 

incarn; to become covered with flesh, to heal over. (transitive) To make carnal; to reduce the spiritual nature of. (transitive, figurative) To put into or represent in a concrete form, as an idea.

Joh 1:14  And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Quote from Worthy Forums Statement Of Faith

We believe in the Messiah, Jesus, God’s only begotten son, God come in the flesh. He was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the virgin Mary. He suffered under Pontius Pilate. He was crucified, died and buried. On the third day, He rose again. Soon afterward He ascended into heaven. Now He is seated at the right hand of the Father and He will return to judge both the living and the dead and reign for evermore.

[BornAgain490]

42 minutes ago, Michael37 said:

Joh 1:14  And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Quote from Worthy Forums Statement Of Faith

We believe in the Messiah, Jesus, God’s only begotten son, God come in the flesh. He was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the virgin Mary. He suffered under Pontius Pilate. He was crucified, died and buried. On the third day, He rose again. Soon afterward He ascended into heaven. Now He is seated at the right hand of the Father and He will return to judge both the living and the dead and reign for evermore.

AMEN AMEN 🙏