Babylon, Babylon, Babylon...

[Marston]

2 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Jesus Christ in his own words below Identified Jerusalem as killing the Prophets, and being guilty of the earth's blood

(Matthew) 23:29-37KJV

29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,

30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.

31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.

32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.

33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

I thought that the punishment of the Jews essentially started in 70 AD and lasted through and culminated with the Holocaust. 

Thereafter, God brought the Jewish people back to Israel where it became a recognized state of the world in 1948. It seems that the punishment for their previous sins is over.

Therefore, I remain skeptical that Jerusalem is "Babylon the Great". On the contrary, I think it's possible that it's Earth itself. Is there any part of the planet that isn't deeply immoral? 

I don't have the answers but it's fascinating to discuss and I appreciate everyone's thoughts!

 

[Neighbor]

1 hour ago, Marston said:

I thought that the punishment of the Jews essentially started in 70 AD

Well might one want to look at God's overall plan; perhaps starting with the first Jew 99 year old Abram selected by God and then called by Him Abraham?  

Seems to me there have been at least three major covenants of God that have led to great promise for His chosen, but also have led to great wrath by our jealous God, complete with extremely serious punishments lasting decades and decades, centuries, to a present and future time of reconciliation through the redeemer.

God has a plan for His chosen, always has.

 

[Luther]

16 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

A very long presentation and it doesn't come close to the description given below, Jerusalem is the Whore Mystery Babylon the Great 

(Jerusalem) Is The Whore, Mystery Babylon The Great.

The Levitical High Priest Dressing represents "The Woman", that is dressed in purple, scarlet, gold, and precious stones as seen below

(Revelation) 17:4KJV

4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

Yes "The Woman", The Levitical High Priest, Dressed In Purple, Scarlet, Gold, And Precious Stones

(Exodus) 28:15-20KJV

15 And thou shalt make the breastplate of judgment with cunning work; after the work of the ephod thou shalt make it; of gold, of blue, and of purple, and of scarlet, and of fine twined linen, shalt thou make it.

16 Foursquare it shall be being doubled; a span shall be the length thereof, and a span shall be the breadth thereof.

17 And thou shalt set in it settings of stones, even four rows of stones: the first row shall be a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle: this shall be the first row.

18 And the second row shall be an emerald, a sapphire, and a diamond.

19 And the third row a ligure, an agate, and an amethyst.

20 And the fourth row a beryl, and an onyx, and a jasper: they shall be set in gold in their inclosings.

(Jerusalem) is the seven Mount city, where the woman sits, not Rome as many falsely claim.

(Revelation) 17:9KJV

9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

List of cities claimed to be built on seven hills - Wikipedia

Jerusalem, Israel: Jerusalem's seven hills are Mount Scopus, Mount Olivet and the Mount of Corruption (all three are peaks in a mountain ridge that lies east of the Old City), Mount Ophel, the original Mount Zion, the New Mount Zion and the hill on which the Antonia Fortress was built.

The Roman Empire didnt exist to be guilty of the Prophets blood seen below, Jerusalem did.

(Revelation) 18:24KJV

24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

(Matthew) 23:29-37KJV

29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,

30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.

31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.

32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.

33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Jerusalem (The Woman) that (Great City) as seen below, Jerusalem where Jesus Christ was crucified

(Revelation) 17:18AKJV

18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

(Revelation) 11:8AKJV

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Jews/Hebrews cast dust upon their heads, weeping for the (Great City) Jerusalem

(Revelation) 18:19 AKJV

19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

1) Is this your own commentary?

2) If you believe all the prophesies concerning Jerusalem were fulfilled in 70-95 AD, What is the standard by which you distinguish the past from future prophecy? It's all "intertwined ", in other words. I will give an example later specifically. 

[truth7t7]

14 hours ago, Marston said:

I thought that the punishment of the Jews essentially started in 70 AD and lasted through and culminated with the Holocaust. 

Thereafter, God brought the Jewish people back to Israel where it became a recognized state of the world in 1948. It seems that the punishment for their previous sins is over.

Therefore, I remain skeptical that Jerusalem is "Babylon the Great". On the contrary, I think it's possible that it's Earth itself. Is there any part of the planet that isn't deeply immoral? 

I don't have the answers but it's fascinating to discuss and I appreciate everyone's thoughts!

 

Fell free to maintain your skepticism, we disagree, the great city is Jerusalem where Jesus was Crucified, Jerusalem sits on 7 mountains, Jerusalem us guilty of the prophets blood, Jerusalem is Mystery Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots

[truth7t7]

7 hours ago, Luther said:

1) Is this your own commentary?

2) If you believe all the prophesies concerning Jerusalem were fulfilled in 70-95 AD, What is the standard by which you distinguish the past from future prophecy? It's all "intertwined ", in other words. I will give an example later specifically. 

I don't believe in 1st century preterist fulfillment 70-95AD

There will be literal future human men as (The Beast) and (The False Prophet) Rev 13

There will be a literal future great tribulation of 3.5 years that starts at the time (The Beast) is revealed proclaiming to be God-Messiah returned to "The World"

There will be future literal prophets returned as the (Two Witnesses) that will bring literal plagues upon this literal world, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt Rev 11, Rev 16

Edited February 6 by truth7t7

[Luther]

31 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

I don't believe in 1st century preterist fulfillment 70-95AD

There will be literal future human men as (The Beast) and (The False Prophet) Rev 13

There will be a literal future great tribulation of 3.5 years that starts at the time (The Beast) is revealed proclaiming to be God-Messiah returned to "The World"

There will be future literal prophets returned as the (Two Witnesses) that will bring literal plagues upon this literal world, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt Rev 11, Rev 16

I don't know.... Did you really read the whole chapter? Sounds more like these two witnesses are those who bring forth the gospel and are spiritually " killed"  (silenced) for the duration of the tribulation period ( as typified by            " 3 1/2". Any true believers who are alive and remain will " ascend up to heaven in a cloud" v.12

[Luther]

1 hour ago, truth7t7 said:

Fell free to maintain your skepticism, we disagree, the great city is Jerusalem where Jesus was Crucified, Jerusalem sits on 7 mountains, Jerusalem us guilty of the prophets blood, Jerusalem is Mystery Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots

Yes but Jerusalem isn't fallen, Babylon is. Jerusalem was the the faithful city at one time but became the harlot:

Isaiah 1:4,21

Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, children that are corrupters: they have forsaken the LORD, they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone away backward.

[21]How is the faithful city become an harlot! it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers.

 

[truth7t7]

4 hours ago, Luther said:

I don't know.... Did you really read the whole chapter? Sounds more like these two witnesses are those who bring forth the gospel and are spiritually " killed"  (silenced) for the duration of the tribulation period ( as typified by            " 3 1/2". Any true believers who are alive and remain will " ascend up to heaven in a cloud" v.12

I Disagree with your symbolic allegory

Revelation Chapter 11

The two witnesses will bring literal plagues upon this literal world, they will have literal bodies that die and lay dead for 3.5 literal days in a literal street in Jerusalem, a literal world watching will exchange literal gifts in celebration of their deaths, they will literally be raised from the dead to heaven as the final hour of earth's existence takes place in (The End)

Edited February 6 by truth7t7

[truth7t7]

4 hours ago, Luther said:

Yes but Jerusalem isn't fallen, Babylon is. Jerusalem was the the faithful city at one time but became the harlot:

Isaiah 1:4,21

Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, children that are corrupters: they have forsaken the LORD, they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone away backward.

[21]How is the faithful city become an harlot! it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers.

 

We Disagree

No need to continue to run around the bush, I have clearly explained my belief, Jerusalem is the Whore Mystery Babylon The Great

[Luther]

10 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

We Disagree

No need to continue to run around the bush, I have clearly explained my belief, Jerusalem is the Whore Mystery Babylon The Great

Ok. Can you give me an example of prophecy yet to be fulfilled?