Selective Rapture

[Your closest friendnt]

@Locust

I think I am having a conversation with a mature individual. 

As believers in Him we are In Him.

We are partakers of his Life.

And we are of the believers or his children who understand the importance of repentance. And we have repented. We can stand in his presence. While we are here on earth and in our earthly tabernacles. 

What do you say, please. 

 

[Your closest friendnt]

@Locust 

Whether we can be in his presence now or not as believers we quarrandee to be in His presence after we die because when we appear before Him we are not Judge. We are His own. We have believed in Him. He is our Savior. And Jesus knows that. He is the door to Heaven and we are in Him. The Door to Heaven is open for us. In His Name. 

[Locust]

29 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

@Locust

I think I am having a conversation with a mature individual. 

As believers in Him we are In Him.

We are partakers of his Life.

And we are of the believers or his children who understand the importance of repentance. And we have repented. We can stand in his presence. While we are here on earth and in our earthly tabernacles. 

What do you say, please. 

 

in him and he being present are two different things .right now we are living in a time of a separating . does he like you go this way if he does not like you go this other way. 

not going to use the sheep and goats thing .thats not what Jesus was illustrating  that one is a sheep or a goat

[Your closest friendnt]

31 minutes ago, Locust said:

in him and he being present are two different things .right now we are living in a time of a separating . does he like you go this way if he does not like you go this other way. 

not going to use the sheep and goats thing .thats not what Jesus was illustrating  that one is a sheep or a goat

You got something right. Jesus was speaking to the Jews about the Jews. 

The Jews did not include the Gentiles and Jesus did not include the Gentiles. 

If he included the Gentiles with those who have done good the Jews would be enraged and go away. 

It was about the Jews but there was a strange twist to it that Jesus did not speak about obedience to the Law and participating in their religious celebrations. 

And also at that time before his redemption in his blood he couldn't speak about those having forgiveness of sins in his blood. 

Edited January 18 by Your closest friendnt

[Your closest friendnt]

33 minutes ago, Locust said:

in him and he being present are two different things .right now we are living in a time of a separating . does he like you go this way if he does not like you go this other way. 

not going to use the sheep and goats thing .thats not what Jesus was illustrating  that one is a sheep or a goat

In your first paragraph the. Statement in Him and in his presence. But not what you post. This is what you post.

In Him and he being present are two different things. Definitely they must be and they are. 

We need further to discuss your next statement

"right now we live in a time of separating. 

You need to tell me more about it of how you see it. And with examples. 

[Your closest friendnt]

@Locust so far we have maintain a good conversation a reasonable one forcusing on what we are discussing. If we continue like that they will have no reason to close the thread down. Thank you you are good to discuss with. You are reading the post and you try to connect to what someone else say. Many things come out of a discussion and that what we are doing. 

Edited January 18 by Your closest friendnt

[Your closest friendnt]

58 minutes ago, Locust said:

in him and he being present are two different things .right now we are living in a time of a separating . does he like you go this way if he does not like you go this other way. 

not going to use the sheep and goats thing .thats not what Jesus was illustrating  that one is a sheep or a goat

"Right now we live in a time of separating".

From a point of view this is truth. 

Let's look at the disciples who were together with him for three years and they also had brief periods of separating when Jesus went alone away to pray. But in their knowledge it was for a brief period. 

[Your closest friendnt]

 @Locust After his death on the Cross in the New Covenant we can feel His heart in our heart  because He is alive in us. 

David was given to feel the heart of the Lord in his heart  because the Lord said David is after my own heart. This is why David went to fight Goliath because He knew that was what the Lord was asking him to do.  

[Your closest friendnt]

@Locust in the New Covenant we can be in his presence and we will not be consumed. We will live. He can give us his presence. In his name. If you love me and keep MY COMMANDMENTS then ME and MY FATHER will COME and MAKE OUR ABODE IN YOUR HEART.

And we have THE PRESENCE of THE HOLLY SPIRIT IN HIS NAME. 

We have the fellowship of the Holy Spirit. 

Edited January 18 by Your closest friendnt

[FreeGrace]

9 hours ago, Locust said:

FreeGrace said:

So it seems you can't answer my question.  Got it.  That's ok.  I didn't really expect one, since I can't imagine why pole vs cross is quite irrelevant.

gave the answer .you just did not like it

If you did, it was couched in total confusion.  I still don't see any relevance to whether a pole or cross was used.

But what I am absolutely not confused about is that every depiction of Christ's crucifixion uses a cross.  

So, whether a cross or pole, the mechanics are the SAME.  The person has to lift themselves up to breathe.  You've not proven that arms up vs side make a difference.

What is really sad is your inability to understand that Jesus actively left His body on the cross to go and preach to the spirits in prison.  You've seen the verses.