Selective Rapture

[FreeGrace]

9 hours ago, Locust said:

His Parousia may be a bit over the understanding of most on this forum

Could you take the time to provide some understanding that you assume most on this forum don't have?

[FreeGrace]

9 hours ago, Locust said:

we are at this time in his ''presence '' all the things Jesus said to look out for have happened.  

Not what the Bible says.

2 Cor 5:6 - Therefore we are always confident and know that as long as we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord.

8 -  We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord.

v.6 means as long as we are alive on earth we "are away from the Lord".

v.8 means after we die, we are "with the Lord".

[FreeGrace]

8 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

We are alive in Him now. We are In HIM. We can be in His presence now. 

But we are on earth and still in our earthly vessels. Sure we can be in his presence now.  

But is this what Paul wants to say? Is this about this presence or about the Heavenly presence. When we have done living in this earthly tabernacle. 

I corrected Locust on this.  The Bible says differently.

2 Cor 5:6 - Therefore we are always confident and know that as long as we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord.

8 - We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord.

v.6 means as long as we are alive on earth "we are away from the Lord".

v.8 means after we die we will be "with the Lord".

[Locust]

12 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

In your first paragraph the. Statement in Him and in his presence. But not what you post. This is what you post.

In Him and he being present are two different things. Definitely they must be and they are. 

We need further to discuss your next statement

"right now we live in a time of separating. 

You need to tell me more about it of how you see it. And with examples. 

oh wow how did i know some of ya would pick up the ball and run he wrong way. you will not see him all because you cant see through the clouds . clouds mean he's not visible to the eye yet you will know he is there in kingdom power all because of the things that are happening .

[Locust]

5 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

If you did, it was couched in total confusion.  I still don't see any relevance to whether a pole or cross was used.

But what I am absolutely not confused about is that every depiction of Christ's crucifixion uses a cross.  

So, whether a cross or pole, the mechanics are the SAME.  The person has to lift themselves up to breathe.  You've not proven that arms up vs side make a difference.

What is really sad is your inability to understand that Jesus actively left His body on the cross to go and preach to the spirits in prison.  You've seen the verses.

its really very simple . hang a man on a cross it takes days for him to die .  

hang a man on a pole he's dead in 6 hours . beat that man up as was done to Jesus ,less than 6 hours . that btw is in scripture 

[FreeGrace]

6 minutes ago, Locust said:

its really very simple . hang a man on a cross it takes days for him to die .

Lee Strobel, the former legal editor for the Chicago Tribune back in the 80's refutes that completely.  What is clear from the text is that Jesus was dead much quicker than what was typical, which is why Pilate had to ask a centurion to confirm it.

The other 2 on their crosses were still alive.  That is why their legs were broken, so they couldn't lift up to breathe.

6 minutes ago, Locust said:

hang a man on a pole he's dead in 6 hours . beat that man up as was done to Jesus ,less than 6 hours . that btw is in scripture 

Everything except your misunderstanding about the fact that Jesus dismissed His spirit.  That's why He was dead so much sooner than usual.

btw, unfortunately, it's almost unknown that the death Jesus died on the cross wasn't physical.  If so, then what He said was wrong.

His last recorded words, just before dismissing His spirit was "it is finished".  In the Greek, the tense is 'perfect', meaning "completed with lasting results".  

If physical death was required, He simply couldn't and wouldn't have said that.  He could have said, "it is ABOUT to be finished", but His words are accurate.  When He said "tetelestai" the sin debt was ALREADY paid.  

So the death He died wasn't physical but spiritual.  Meaning, He was separated from the Father and Spirit while bearing our sins.  That is why He said "My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me?"  He knew exactly why but said it to instruct us.

Anyway, no charge for that valuable information.  😁

[Locust]

10 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

Lee Strobel, the former legal editor for the Chicago Tribune back in the 80's refutes that completely.  What is clear from the text is that Jesus was dead much quicker than what was typical, which is why Pilate had to ask a centurion to confirm it.

The other 2 on their crosses were still alive.  That is why their legs were broken, so they couldn't lift up to breathe.

Everything except your misunderstanding about the fact that Jesus dismissed His spirit.  That's why He was dead so much sooner than usual.

btw, unfortunately, it's almost unknown that the death Jesus died on the cross wasn't physical.  If so, then what He said was wrong.

His last recorded words, just before dismissing His spirit was "it is finished".  In the Greek, the tense is 'perfect', meaning "completed with lasting results".  

If physical death was required, He simply couldn't and wouldn't have said that.  He could have said, "it is ABOUT to be finished", but His words are accurate.  When He said "tetelestai" the sin debt was ALREADY paid.  

So the death He died wasn't physical but spiritual.  Meaning, He was separated from the Father and Spirit while bearing our sins.  That is why He said "My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me?"  He knew exactly why but said it to instruct us.

Anyway, no charge for that valuable information.  😁

two other men died that day .hung the same way Jesus was . were they wiped the same as Jesus ? we don't know its not in the narrative . i have done enough research into what happens to the human body when hung in different ways . the Romans were well practiced in the art of torcher , 

if you are thinking Jesus was the first man to ever be hungup, i assure you he was not. nor was he the last . its really very simple ,how long do you want the torcher to last ?   hours or days? 

[Your closest friendnt]

49 minutes ago, Locust said:

oh wow how did i know some of ya would pick up the ball and run he wrong way. you will not see him all because you cant see through the clouds . clouds mean he's not visible to the eye yet you will know he is there in kingdom power all because of the things that are happening .

We see him in our hearts and with the fellowship of the Holy Spirit. 

The unbeliever's see him in in the miracle of Peter by the gate to the Temple. When Peter said that he does that in the name of Jesus and by that declaring that Jesus Christ has been raised from the dead. 

The warden in Philipi showed him through the preaching of Paul and the miraculous earthquake. The prisoners been cells opened and the chains in their hands and feet being undone. And only the believers in Jesus Christ came out from the cells. 

[Locust]

On 1/17/2025 at 1:38 PM, FreeGrace said:

Why is this detail significant?  

So, to be clear, you believe Jesus was nailed to a pole because of your experience with pole barns?? Really??

How come there are NO poles rather than crosses?  Do you have any examples of Jesus on a pole, like the RCC?  Or even off a pole, like evangelicals have?

I do have a picture of a man carved out of marble hung as I described .is there a way to post pic's? 

[Michael37]

10 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

So the death He died wasn't physical but spiritual.

Not according to God's Word

1Pe 3:18  For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit,