Cheap Grace and Easy Believeism.

[BornAgain490]

5 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

You have clearly demonstrated the problem of reading by what you've said about specific verses.  

You you continue to FAIL to grasp (comprehension) is that v.8 SAYS that salvation is THROUGH FAITH.  How come you don't understand that means the faith must be present BEFORE one can be saved?  The NT is full of verses that say that salvation or eternal life is based on faith or believing.  Why do you ignore all those verses, and then, keep repeating the talking points that aren't found in Scripture?

You fail to grasp that FAITH is a GIFT of God's GRACE. 

[FreeGrace]

12 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

Right. The unregenerate man refuses to believe in spiritual matters because they are incapable of believing as a result of their spiritual deafness.

Once again you ignore the glaring issue. To refuse is a choice.  Every choice, by definition requires at least 2 options.  Regarding the gospel, the 2 options are either to believe the promise or REFUSE to believe the promise.

12 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

You must be born again to have saving faith, because saving faith is God's gracious gift.  

Prove it from the Bible.  I am really tired of your unsupported talking points.  Quote Scripture if you have the truth.

I'm always suspicious of those who only give talking points but never Scripture.

[BornAgain490]

3 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

I've never studied either Pelagianism or semi.  So you're going to have to point out to me where I have smothered anything.  

Not having studied Pelagianism, and not knowing what it teaches, if it agrees with what I say, it is aligned with the Bible.

You seem to know about Calvin, but Pelagian? Incredulous.  😄

[FreeGrace]

7 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

FreeGrace said:

You keep trying to make it sound like everyone who hears believes, which is obviously untrue.

That is a lie and you know it.

Do you not read carefully??  I am giving you my opinion on your posts.  That is how they come across.  So if you don't agree, then choose your words more carefully.

7 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

I've always said God brings those who've been chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world to saving faith. 

Yes, you have.  And I have been telling you that there are NO verses in the Bible that say what you say.  Your claims FAIL the Berean verification method, per Acts 17:11.

7 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

I've never said all come to saving faith by hearing God's word. In fact, I've made it clear that many hear the word of God and receive no effect from it.  Stop outright lying about things I don't say. 

What you have been posting SURE comes across that way.  Again, I suggest you choose your words more carefully.

[FreeGrace]

7 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

You fail to grasp that FAITH is a GIFT of God's GRACE. 

You fail to support your talking point with Scripture that SAYS what you SAY.   

I have not failed to understand Eph 2:8.  You've twisted it to support your talking points.

[BornAgain490]

4 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

Regarding the gospel, the 2 options are either to believe the promise or REFUSE to believe the promise.

Regarding the gospel, the 2 results are either regeneration or stay dead in trespasses and sins. The gospel message of God's grace is efficacious to some, called the elect. Those who don't receive saving faith refuse to believe because they have not been born again. 

[FreeGrace]

4 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

You seem to know about Calvin, but Pelagian? Incredulous.  😄

So, what's the problem?  I KNOW the Bible, and have proved it with verses that say what I say (believe).  As Paul once testified, "I am saying nothing beyond what the Bible (Moses and the prophets - Acts 26:22) said".

[FreeGrace]

3 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

FreeGrace said:

Regarding the gospel, the 2 options are either to believe the promise or REFUSE to believe the promise.

Regarding the gospel, the 2 results are either regeneration or stay dead in trespasses and sins.

Of course.

3 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

The gospel message of God's grace is efficacious to some, called the elect. Those who don't receive saving faith refuse to believe because they have not been born again. 

You still have failed to prove your claims from Scripture.  All your talking points are empty of truth, or you would be quoting Scripture, like I do.

[BornAgain490]

3 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

9 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

You fail to grasp that FAITH is a GIFT of God's GRACE. 

You fail to support your talking point with Scripture that SAYS what you SAY.

You're dull of hearing (reading), because I've proven to you that faith is a gift, and the early church fathers and many Greek scholars agree that in Eph.  2, faith is a gift. 

[BornAgain490]

2 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

So, what's the problem?  I KNOW the Bible, and have proved it with verses that say what I say (believe).  As Paul once testified, "I am saying nothing beyond what the Bible (Moses and the prophets - Acts 26:22) said".

Except you are denying the truth that FAITH IS A GIFT.