1 Cor. 15:23 and Selective Resurrection

[FreeGrace]

2 hours ago, Indentured Servant said:

I had to look up the verse you referenced, haha. I wasn't familiar with the phrase , "Berean verification method."

I made it up.  But it seems to catch the meaning of the verse pretty well.  😊

2 hours ago, Indentured Servant said:

But yes, I read Scripture daily and listen to it when I sleep. It took me years to unlearn all the doctrinal fodder that has muddied up Scriptural clarity.

I honestly don't mind if someone thinks I'm wrong, the problem begins when they think they have to belittle someone else to stand their ground. 

When I am in discussion with another poster who disagrees with my view, I ask for correction and tell them I don't want to be wrong any more than they do.  

And they STILL don't show me where I'm wrong.

I hate being wrong and no one will show me where or how I am.  lol

[Indentured Servant]

1 hour ago, FreeGrace said:

I made it up.  But it seems to catch the meaning of the verse pretty well.

Ahh, it works well, and sounds official.

 

As for people telling me I'm wrong, I get the same responses, or no response.  

 

[FreeGrace]

25 minutes ago, Indentured Servant said:

Ahh, it works well, and sounds official.

As for people telling me I'm wrong, I get the same responses, or no response.  

I hear ya.

[Feedmysheep]

On 1/7/2025 at 11:34 AM, Indentured Servant said:

 

 <<<I'd love nothing more than to engage in a civil discussion of this;>>>

You were not speaking to me. But civil discussion is my desire also.

 Now I would like you please to civily explain, who do the plural pronouns "they, their, them" and "brothers"  refer to in Revelation 12:10,11?  Thanks.   [Bear with the colors please] 

And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, Now has come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ, for the accuser of our brothers has been cast down, who accuses them before our God day and night.

And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their testimony, and they loved not their soul-life even unto death.

Edited January 10 by Feedmysheep

[Indentured Servant]

1 hour ago, Feedmysheep said:

 <<<I'd love nothing more than to engage in a civil discussion of this;>>>

You were not speaking to me. But civil discussion is my desire also.

 Now I would like you please to civily explain, who do the plural pronouns "they, their, them" and "brothers"  refer to in Revelation 12:10,11.  Thanks.   [Bear with the colors please] 

And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, Now has come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ, for the accuser of our brothers has been cast down, who accuses them before our God day and night.

And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their testimony, and they loved not their soul-life even unto death.

Written from John's pov, so I can see that he was referring to those he considered brothers... 'Brothers' is an oft used moniker for those who are "in-Christ" together.

He further describes them as ones who have overcome Satan, and preferred death over their own lives for the sake of their testimony. 

I simply see that it is making reference to those who are willing to die for their life in Christ.

(Btw, you don't have to ask me for civil discussion, it's a given. 🙂)

[Feedmysheep]

2 hours ago, Indentured Servant said:

 

<<<(Btw, you don't have to ask me for civil discussion, it's a given. 🙂)>>>

Great.

 <<<Written from John's pov, so I can see that he was referring to those he considered brothers... 'Brothers' is an oft used moniker for those who are "in-Christ" together.>>>

So they are human being "brothers". Okay.

Since my question was who in chapter 12 might they refer to, I gather you find them to be no one in the chapter specifically but just some of John's brothers in Christ. Let's see if you get any more specific.

<<<He further describes them as ones who have overcome Satan, and preferred death over their own lives for the sake of their testimony. >>>

Did they give their lives before or during the 1,260 days that Satan ruthlessly persecutes "the rest of her seed" in And the dragon became angry with the woman and went away to make war with the rest of her seed, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus. (v.17)

and in 

-And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place there prepared by God so that they might nourish her there a thousand two hundred and sixty days. ? (v.6) 

<<<I simply see that it is making reference to those who are willing to die for their life in Christ.>>>

When?  They died for their testimony before the time and times and half a time or during?

And to the woman there were given the two wings of the great eagle that she might fly into the wilderness into her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time from the face of the serpent.(v.14)

Edited January 10 by Feedmysheep

[Indentured Servant]

3 hours ago, Feedmysheep said:

Since my question was who in chapter 12 might they refer to, I gather you find them to be no one in the chapter specifically but just some of John's brothers in Christ. Let's see if you get any more specific.

"Some" of John's brothers in Christ?

"I gather you find them to be no one one in the chapter...?"

"Let's see if you can get more specific?"

I'm sorry you felt it necessary to add comments of that nature; nonetheless, I'm sure I missed something you asked for...

I really wasn't discounting anyone in my reply, nor do I believe he was. I merely stated that it was those who he thought of as brothers... He didn't define what he meant in that verse in terms of past, present, and/or future brothers in Christ. I was just reflecting on what the verse simply stated, and didn't add to what I'd read. 

Sorry, I didn't realize you were asking for my perspective on when a particular event may/will occur, you did not specify that in your direct question to me. If you did, I missed it. I was aware you were asking for deeper context or interpretation, I simply answered based on the context of the verse you asked about. I apologize that I misunderstood the scope of the question. 

I'm sorry, but I feel like this has already become a bit of a "getting off on the wrong foot" 

Perhaps our individual styles of communication are not compatible with the other. No fault of either, just different. I will gladly dismiss myself from this thread to help us both avoid either of us feeling unnecessarily frustrated with the other. 

There wasn't really any more that I have to add. 

Thanks, God bless.

Edited January 10 by Indentured Servant