First Hours After America's Downfall

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On 2/3/2025 at 12:43 PM, Luther said:

I would like to share verses with similar language to Revelation 18 and let's see what you think.

Rev 13 & 14, Should be read together. It would be one continual declaration about the beast nation. (At one time there were no chapters and verses markings.)

Rev 13, Shows the different phases of the Roman beast nation during the time that Rome rules over the children of Israel. 63 BC-1967.

Rev 14, 1-6, Shows the souls from the resurrection of Jesus. They rose from Hades with Jesus and ascended to heaven with Him in 33 AD, Eph 4:8. After the description of the Rev 13 beast, the ones who overcame are seen enjoying their reward, being with the God who is Love. The message is to not lose faith even under the threat of death.

 

On 2/3/2025 at 12:43 PM, Luther said:

Revelation 14:6-10

And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

Rev  14:6, God's 96 AD declaration that the gospel kingdom that began on Pentecost will be preached everywhere is a statement of faith and preservation to believers, that is, since it is a spirit no man or beast nation will stop it.

 

On 2/3/2025 at 12:43 PM, Luther said:

[7]Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come:

Rev 14:7, Israel in 96 AD was looking back 20 years ish to the fall of Jerusalem. The judgment of unbelieving Israel had started. they were either slaves, in the gentile nations away from Rome or dead.

Unbelieving Israel was still being called by God to acknowledge Jesus as their king. The fall of 70 AD Jerusalem was proof. 

 

On 2/3/2025 at 12:43 PM, Luther said:

and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

Rev 14:7, Heaven, earth, sea, fountains. See that these are the same areas as the 1-4 trumpets and the 1-4 vials/bowls.

These 4 areas are the symbolize creation, to the children of Israel. 

The earth, sea, and heavens are the material world and it's people.

The fountains are God, Jer 2:13. The rivers are the river of life that that flows from the throne of God. This continual flow of blessings is what keeps the creation alive.  

 

On 2/3/2025 at 12:43 PM, Luther said:

[8]And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

Rev 14:8, "Babylon is fallen". Babylon is Jerusalem that fell only 20 years ish in the past of 96 AD. Every Jew would see that God had made a judgment on the city.

This is still true to this day. Israel should understand the Jerusalem fell in 70 AD because they rejected the Messiah and the Pentecost gospel kingdom.

*It was not Rome that was the chief fornicator, it was Israel/ Jerusalem who was the bride of God. 

 

On 2/3/2025 at 12:43 PM, Luther said:

[9]And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

Rev 14:9The mark is the mark of Rome. It is better to die a material death and live forever with God than to live after willingly receiving the mark of Rome. It is a number of power, over Israel.

600 Satan, the greatest power.

060 Rome, the beast nation, Dan 7 and Dan 2.

006 Caesar, a man who embodies all three powers.

666, Satan, Rome, and Caesar (The Bishop of Rome, Vatican.)

 

On 2/3/2025 at 12:43 PM, Luther said:

[10]The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

Rev 14:10, "The wine of the wrath of God."

Rev 14:14-20, These verses show the first harvest of souls in 33 AD when Jesus was resurrected, the first fruits.

After the first resurrection, unbelieving Israel is like grapes in a winepress from God's "anger" for rejecting the Pentecost gospel kingdom 96 AD.

How long do the children of Israel suffer in the winepress? The answer is as long as they are outside the city, Rev 14:20.

That is, until the times of the gentiles are over and Jerusalem is restored to the control of Israel, 1967.

 

On 2/3/2025 at 12:43 PM, Luther said:

These are end time events, for sure. V.8 is nestled right in there. What say you?

Which end times are you talking about specifically? 

There is an end time when;

The law ended, when Jerusalem fell in 70 AD, and end of the millennium, the end when Jesus comes, and end of sin and death.

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Consider this, in the Dan 2 statue, the iron nation is continual, it doesn't stop and then start again. It divides, but is continual.

It means that the Roman nation starts in 63 BC and continues until the toes end, when Jerusalem is restored.

Try thinking of the beast nation in Revelation the same way, 63 BC until our present day, without ending and then starting again.

It shows that the time of trouble/trib began in 63 BC when Rome invaded.

The beast nation killed the infants when Jesus was born, killed John the Baptist, Jesus, the Apostles, and millions of Israel in the kingdom.

Instead of the beast nation being future, realize that it has been here since 63 BC and continues to our present day, continual, as the iron in the Dan 2 statue shows.

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15 hours ago, abcdef said:

Rev 13 & 14, Should be read together. It would be one continual declaration about the beast nation. (At one time there were no chapters and verses markings.)

Rev 13, Shows the different phases of the Roman beast nation during the time that Rome rules over the children of Israel. 63 BC-1967.

Rev 14, 1-6, Shows the souls from the resurrection of Jesus. They rose from Hades with Jesus and ascended to heaven with Him in 33 AD, Eph 4:8. After the description of the Rev 13 beast, the ones who overcame are seen enjoying their reward, being with the God who is Love. The message is to not lose faith even under the threat of death.

 

Rev  14:6, God's 96 AD declaration that the gospel kingdom that began on Pentecost will be preached everywhere is a statement of faith and preservation to believers, that is, since it is a spirit no man or beast nation will stop it.

 

Rev 14:7, Israel in 96 AD was looking back 20 years ish to the fall of Jerusalem. The judgment of unbelieving Israel had started. they were either slaves, in the gentile nations away from Rome or dead.

Unbelieving Israel was still being called by God to acknowledge Jesus as their king. The fall of 70 AD Jerusalem was proof. 

 

Rev 14:7, Heaven, earth, sea, fountains. See that these are the same areas as the 1-4 trumpets and the 1-4 vials/bowls.

These 4 areas are the symbolize creation, to the children of Israel. 

The earth, sea, and heavens are the material world and it's people.

The fountains are God, Jer 2:13. The rivers are the river of life that that flows from the throne of God. This continual flow of blessings is what keeps the creation alive.  

 

Rev 14:8, "Babylon is fallen". Babylon is Jerusalem that fell only 20 years ish in the past of 96 AD. Every Jew would see that God had made a judgment on the city.

This is still true to this day. Israel should understand the Jerusalem fell in 70 AD because they rejected the Messiah and the Pentecost gospel kingdom.

*It was not Rome that was the chief fornicator, it was Israel/ Jerusalem who was the bride of God. 

 

Rev 14:9The mark is the mark of Rome. It is better to die a material death and live forever with God than to live after willingly receiving the mark of Rome. It is a number of power, over Israel.

600 Satan, the greatest power.

060 Rome, the beast nation, Dan 7 and Dan 2.

006 Caesar, a man who embodies all three powers.

666, Satan, Rome, and Caesar (The Bishop of Rome, Vatican.)

 

Rev 14:10, "The wine of the wrath of God."

Rev 14:14-20, These verses show the first harvest of souls in 33 AD when Jesus was resurrected, the first fruits.

After the first resurrection, unbelieving Israel is like grapes in a winepress from God's "anger" for rejecting the Pentecost gospel kingdom 96 AD.

How long do the children of Israel suffer in the winepress? The answer is as long as they are outside the city, Rev 14:20.

That is, until the times of the gentiles are over and Jerusalem is restored to the control of Israel, 1967.

 

Which end times are you talking about specifically? 

There is an end time when;

The law ended, when Jerusalem fell in 70 AD, and end of the millennium, the end when Jesus comes, and end of sin and death.

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Consider this, in the Dan 2 statue, the iron nation is continual, it doesn't stop and then start again. It divides, but is continual.

It means that the Roman nation starts in 63 BC and continues until the toes end, when Jerusalem is restored.

Try thinking of the beast nation in Revelation the same way, 63 BC until our present day, without ending and then starting again.

It shows that the time of trouble/trib began in 63 BC when Rome invaded.

The beast nation killed the infants when Jesus was born, killed John the Baptist, Jesus, the Apostles, and millions of Israel in the kingdom.

Instead of the beast nation being future, realize that it has been here since 63 BC and continues to our present day, continual, as the iron in the Dan 2 statue shows.

You have a lot going on here. I can only respond in bits.

You said: "Rev 14:7, Israel in 96 AD was looking back 20 years ish to the fall of Jerusalem. The judgment of unbelieving Israel....."

So what happened to the prophecies concerning the judgement to come? About the hour of judgment to come? 

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2 hours ago, Luther said:

You have a lot going on here. I can only respond in bits.

Since many have not heard this viewpoint that the Rev 17-18 woman is Jerusalem in 96 AD, the overall timeline might give some additional confirmation.

It means that the woman Babylon is not America, Britain, or any gentile nation.

The beast is Rome from 63 BC until 1967.

The woman is unbelieving Jerusalem in slavery to Rome in 96 AD, but don't think that the prophecy is ended at that point, it continues for 1900 years continually.

 

2 hours ago, Luther said:

You said: "Rev 14:7, Israel in 96 AD was looking back 20 years ish to the fall of Jerusalem. The judgment of unbelieving Israel....."

Imagine that you are with John in 96 AD. You are writing to the 7 congregations in Asia. Why aren't you writing to Jerusalem?

Because Jerusalem, that great city, has been wiped of the face of the earth. All the people were slaves, dead, or in the non Roman gentile nations.

Oh Jerusalem, you murdered the saints, killed your king, and killed those who worship the God who is Love. You played the whore with every fowl spirit and now your judgment by the Lord God Jesus, your king, has come. 

 Jerusalem, you fell because you valued material riches and chose the material over God and the spiritual riches.

Jerusalem, you had the Law and the Prophets, but chose Caesar, "We have no king but Caesar", John 19:15.

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That was 96 AD, but now, we are at the end of the story.

That time is over and Jerusalem was restored in 1967. 

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America supports Jerusalem, for a moment.

America is falling in front of us. 

All these political currents are leading to the fall of Jerusalem by the forces from across the Euphrates and their allies.

Kings do what they want, not what the people want. 

What about the next guy? Or the next one or the one after that?

Once the power is consolidated, the next one might hate Israel. It's only a matter of time now before America turns against Jerusalem.

The Rev 10-11 scroll is sweet and bitter. Sweet, Jerusalem will be restored. Bitter, restored Jerusalem will fall.

Restored Jerusalem is falling in front of us.

America is falling, Jerusalem will follow. 

 

2 hours ago, Luther said:

So what happened to the prophecies concerning the judgement to come? About the hour of judgment to come? 

Rev 14:8, Says twice that Babylon is fallen. What great city had just fallen in 96 AD? 

 

[BlindSeeker]

2 minutes ago, abcdef said:

Restored Jerusalem is falling in front of us.

America is falling, Jerusalem will follow. 

 

Rev 14:8, Says twice that Babylon is fallen. What great city had just fallen in 96 AD? 

 So, where then is America for you in Rev? If Jerusalem follows, is it mentioned or not?

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1 minute ago, BlindSeeker said:

 So, where then is America for you in Rev? If Jerusalem follows, is it mentioned or not?

America is not in the Revelation or any place in the Bible in my view.

The prophecies center on Jerusalem and it's restoration.

The theory is that restored Jerusalem will fall to the powers from across the Euphrates and their allies.

Since Jerusalem is restored and the timelines show that Jerusalem will fall, I look for diminishing support from Israel's allies.

After all, Jerusalem would have fallen many years ago if the U.S. had not supported Israel.

[BlindSeeker]

5 minutes ago, abcdef said:

America is not in the Revelation or any place in the Bible in my view.

The prophecies center on Jerusalem and it's restoration.

The theory is that restored Jerusalem will fall to the powers from across the Euphrates and their allies.

Since Jerusalem is restored and the timelines show that Jerusalem will fall, I look for diminishing support from Israel's allies.

After all, Jerusalem would have fallen many years ago if the U.S. had not supported Israel.

Then how can you talk about it falling before Jerusalem. What's your source?

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On 1/4/2025 at 11:21 AM, GodIsLife said:

Ladies and Gentlemen,

I am very confident that America's downfall will be in 2027 (or maybe earlier) and that Donald J. Trump will be the last US president. Most likely Iran will use nuclear bombs to attack America. And I am also very confident that America's downfall will cause a global economic crisis which the world has never seen before. I support my claim with the Bible.

What will happen in the first hours after America's downfall:

1. All the world's currencies will become worthless, meaning that billions of people will lose their money.

2. People from all over the world will raid supermarkets for food and other necessities.

3. People from all over the world will raid banks and jewelry stores to take gold and silver because the value of precious metals will soar.

4. Hospital, fire department and police employees will leave because they have to take care of their own business.

5. Almost all devices will stop functioning because Microsoft, Apple and Google will no longer exist.

Bring it!

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3 minutes ago, BlindSeeker said:

Then how can you talk about it falling before Jerusalem. What's your source?

In my previous post I tried to show why I thought the current situation was leading to that conclusion.

It's not a source, it's more of a conclusion of the current situation compared to the Revelation. 

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Just now, abcdef said:

In my previous post I tried to show why I thought the current situation was leading to that conclusion.

It's not a source, it's more of a conclusion of the current situation compared to the Revelation. 

 

 

 

Oh, just speculation...

[BlindSeeker]

On 1/4/2025 at 11:21 AM, GodIsLife said:

Ladies and Gentlemen,

I am very confident that America's downfall will be in 2027 (or maybe earlier) and that Donald J. Trump will be the last US president. Most likely Iran will use nuclear bombs to attack America. And I am also very confident that America's downfall will cause a global economic crisis which the world has never seen before. I support my claim with the Bible.

What will happen in the first hours after America's downfall:

1. All the world's currencies will become worthless, meaning that billions of people will lose their money.

2. People from all over the world will raid supermarkets for food and other necessities.

3. People from all over the world will raid banks and jewelry stores to take gold and silver because the value of precious metals will soar.

4. Hospital, fire department and police employees will leave because they have to take care of their own business.

5. Almost all devices will stop functioning because Microsoft, Apple and Google will no longer exist.

I concur, 2028 the latest. But, while Iran might be a participant, I believe it will be a conglomeration of EU and Middle East nations. But after that chaos sweeps the nations as God draw them to Armageddon for the final show down.