First Hours After America's Downfall

[BlindSeeker]

22 minutes ago, Luther said:

So who would you consider the final beast ( kingdom) to be? The beast coming out of the earth, the " little horn" ( Daniel 7:8)? 

USA. Neither "the eighth" nor the "little horn" are reference as being kings or monarchal governments.

Edited January 25 by BlindSeeker

[Luther]

37 minutes ago, BlindSeeker said:

USA. Neither "the eighth" nor the "little horn" are reference as being kings or monarchal governments.

I'm interested in what you have to say regarding the language in Daniel 7 as it compares with Revelation 13?

 

Daniel 7:19-23

Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;

[20]And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

[21]I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

[22]Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

[23]Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

[BlindSeeker]

1 minute ago, Luther said:

I'm interested in what you have to say regarding the language in Daniel 7 as it compares with Revelation 13?

Both have the same judgment and destruction prophesied upon them for the same offence...

[BlindSeeker]

First, this little horn’s origin comes from “among them,” the ten, this to me speaks of a nation or empire that will rise up, not only out of the “ten horns,” but in all probability from one in particular. Therefore, it is prudent to stay mindful of how certain distinct attributes from each of those “four great beasts [that] came up from the sea” have also been assigned to the (Eighth, or the) Beast that rises up out of the sea. 

Second observation, notice the “little horn” has “eyes like the eyes of man.” These “eyes of a man” speaks primarily to the lust of the eyes of men, signifying the little horn is never going to be satisfied till all it sees comes under its control and influence. Therefore, he will be cunning, flattering, and given to endless lies, in a vain endeavor to achieve its ambitions. Thus this “little horn” has “a mouth speaking great things,” which also is seen to be associated with the Eighth Beast.

Revelation 13:5 - And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, and His tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

God has been long-suffering and forbearing with the folly of humanity; permitting many seemingly great things to occur which at the time many perceived and boasted were accomplished through the great wisdom and power possessed by men, only to have it all fall to ruin. All this ultimately permitted in order to prove to the whole of humanity that there is in fact a sovereign God, a Creator before whom all the nations are reckoned to be no greater than mere dust in the scales. For all the souls of such powerful men will still stand before Him to give an accounting and to openly acknowledge that His alone is the Kingdom, the power, and glory forever and ever.

Isaiah 40:15 - Behold, the nations are as a drop of a bucket, and are counted as the small dust of the balance: behold, He taketh up the isles as a very little thing.

Now, consider how three of the other horns were “plucked up by the roots” by the little horn and reexamine once more the following verses.

Daniel 7:8 - I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things... 11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spoke: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and he was given to the burning flame.

It is simple American history that originally colonization of America was attempted by three of those ten horns: England, Spain and France. However, all three of these have been “plucked up by the roots” so to say, having lost all sovereign claims to any American soil.

It is evident that it was because of “the great words which the horn spoke” that “the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.” Again, this too can be seen attributed to the Eighth Beast who is destined to be destroyed with fire by the ten horns.

Revelation 17:16 - And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

Revelation 18:8 - Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

Daniel in his vision saw both the rise and fall of this “little horn,” which was confirmed to be under the sovereign watch and control of the “Ancient of days.” No earthly or spiritual kingdom, even though they may appear to be running rampant in defiance to God’s great authority, will ever go beyond the wisdom and tolerance of the Lord’s great power and restraint. For His is the power and glory forever.

Daniel 7:9 - I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of His head like the pure wool: His throne was like the fiery flame, and His wheels as burning fire.  10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before Him: and a thousand thousands ministered unto Him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before Him: then the judgment was set, and the books were opened. 11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: and I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame. 12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away [or greatly decreased]: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

It is important here that we note that the destruction of this “little horn,” which became a great beast and was destroyed by fire, that its destruction does not bring the same timely end to the other horns or “beasts” as we see in the verse above. It is clear, that though they lose some of their power, which was achieved by their temporarily being of “one mind” and thereby having a corporate power through their unity, they are nonetheless permitted to continue on “for a season and time.” This reveals that there is a continuation of national events in the world after the destruction of the “little horn.” 

Revelation 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. 13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast… 16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. 17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil His will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

 

Edited January 25 by BlindSeeker

[Luther]

24 minutes ago, BlindSeeker said:

First, this little horn’s origin comes from “among them,” the ten, this to me speaks of a nation or empire that will rise up, not only out of the “ten horns,” but in all probability from one in particular. Therefore, it is prudent to stay mindful of how certain distinct attributes from each of those “four great beasts [that] came up from the sea” have also been assigned to the (Eighth, or the) Beast that rises up out of the sea. 

Second observation, notice the “little horn” has “eyes like the eyes of man.” These “eyes of a man” speaks primarily to the lust of the eyes of men, signifying the little horn is never going to be satisfied till all it sees comes under its control and influence. Therefore, he will be cunning, flattering, and given to endless lies, in a vain endeavor to achieve its ambitions. Thus this “little horn” has “a mouth speaking great things,” which also is seen to be associated with the Eighth Beast.

Revelation 13:5 - And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, and His tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

God has been long-suffering and forbearing with the folly of humanity; permitting many seemingly great things to occur which at the time many perceived and boasted were accomplished through the great wisdom and power possessed by men, only to have it all fall to ruin. All this ultimately permitted in order to prove to the whole of humanity that there is in fact a sovereign God, a Creator before whom all the nations are reckoned to be no greater than mere dust in the scales. For all the souls of such powerful men will still stand before Him to give an accounting and to openly acknowledge that His alone is the Kingdom, the power, and glory forever and ever.

Isaiah 40:15 - Behold, the nations are as a drop of a bucket, and are counted as the small dust of the balance: behold, He taketh up the isles as a very little thing.

Now, consider how three of the other horns were “plucked up by the roots” by the little horn and reexamine once more the following verses.

Daniel 7:8 - I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things... 11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spoke: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and he was given to the burning flame.

It is simple American history that originally colonization of America was attempted by three of those ten horns: England, Spain and France. However, all three of these have been “plucked up by the roots” so to say, having lost all sovereign claims to any American soil.

It is evident that it was because of “the great words which the horn spoke” that “the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.” Again, this too can be seen attributed to the Eighth Beast who is destined to be destroyed with fire by the ten horns.

Revelation 17:16 - And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

Revelation 18:8 - Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

Daniel in his vision saw both the rise and fall of this “little horn,” which was confirmed to be under the sovereign watch and control of the “Ancient of days.” No earthly or spiritual kingdom, even though they may appear to be running rampant in defiance to God’s great authority, will ever go beyond the wisdom and tolerance of the Lord’s great power and restraint. For His is the power and glory forever.

Daniel 7:9 - I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of His head like the pure wool: His throne was like the fiery flame, and His wheels as burning fire.  10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before Him: and a thousand thousands ministered unto Him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before Him: then the judgment was set, and the books were opened. 11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: and I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame. 12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away [or greatly decreased]: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

It is important here that we note that the destruction of this “little horn,” which became a great beast and was destroyed by fire, that its destruction does not bring the same timely end to the other horns or “beasts” as we see in the verse above. It is clear, that though they lose some of their power, which was achieved by their temporarily being of “one mind” and thereby having a corporate power through their unity, they are nonetheless permitted to continue on “for a season and time.” This reveals that there is a continuation of national events in the world after the destruction of the “little horn.” 

Revelation 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. 13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast… 16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. 17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil His will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

 

You said: "nonetheless permitted to continue on “for a season and time.” This reveals that there is a continuation of national events in the world after the destruction of the “little horn.” 

 

Daniel 7:12

As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

I don't know. The " rest of the beasts" could refer to kingdoms before the fourth kingdom( little horn) which went away in their time or season, whereas the fourth (and last kingdom, I believe) is literally destroyed at Christ's coming. I believe the little horn to be antichrist  (whatever form) in the final days being worshiped as God, as we read in: 

2 Thessalonians 2:8

And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

And Jesus Christ is the Ancient of Days:

Daniel 7:21-22

I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

[22]Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

When Jesus comes, it's the end of the world. 

Oh I just realized to ask you...you don't agree with premillennialism, correct?

[BlindSeeker]

4 hours ago, Luther said:

You said: "nonetheless permitted to continue on “for a season and time.” This reveals that there is a continuation of national events in the world after the destruction of the “little horn.” 

 

Daniel 7:12

As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

I don't know. The " rest of the beasts" could refer to kingdoms before the fourth kingdom( little horn) which went away in their time or season, whereas the fourth (and last kingdom, I believe) is literally destroyed at Christ's coming. I believe the little horn to be antichrist  (whatever form) in the final days being worshiped as God, as we read in: 

2 Thessalonians 2:8

And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

And Jesus Christ is the Ancient of Days:

Daniel 7:21-22

I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

[22]Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

When Jesus comes, it's the end of the world. 

Oh I just realized to ask you...you don't agree with premillennialism, correct?

The ten horns come from Rome's fall. They are clearly on the head of the 4th beast The other 3 "are fallen" already, and when Rome fall as well, none of them are  around when the ten horns come into being specific historic entities, especially not when the "Little horn" enter into its prophetic significance.

When the Roman Empire fell from its height it divided up into considerably smaller kingdoms which have been reckoned as follows. However, together they help define the expanse to which Rome rose.

1.           The Roman senate. 

2.           The Greeks, in Ravenna. 

3.           The Lombards in Lombardy.

4.           The Huns in Hungary. 

5.           The Alemans, in Germany.

6.           The Franks in France.

7.           The Burgundians in Burgundy.

8.           The Saracens in Africa, and a part of Spain. 

9.           The Goths, in other parts of Spain. 

10.       And the Saxons, in Britain.

[BlindSeeker]

4 hours ago, Luther said:

I believe the little horn to be antichrist  (whatever form) in the final days being worshiped as God, as we read in: 

2 Thessalonians 2:8

And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming

I too used be be of that persuasion.

However, the vagueness of the Apostle in his epistle to the Thessalonians on this topic is something I think needs to seriously looked into and prayed over.

I can but offer you an excerpt for you consideration from another writing of mine on this specific subject and a link for further consideration if you are more inclined to examine it more.

"2^nd Thessalonians 2:5 – Remember you not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? ⁶ And now you know what withholds that he might be revealed in his time. ⁷ For the mystery of iniquity does already work: only he who now lets will let, until he be taken out of the way. ⁸ And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of His mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming.

Paul’s manner of writing here leaves me asking the question, “Why didn’t Paul just articulate these things again in more detail in his epistle?” With a matter of such significant importance, what could be his reason for not putting forth a clear and coherent teaching on this apostasy which the Holy Spirit had revealed to him was going to take place? Especially when Paul’s normal pattern in his epistles was to be very meticulous and thorough when presenting to the saints the oracles of God; yet here he goes no further than to write to them “Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?” It is evident Paul felt it was wisdom to trust the Holy Spirit to help them recall these pertinent things, for he continues with “you know what withholds that he might be revealed in his time.” Hence it seems evident that the Apostle Paul under the unction of the Holy Spirit was writing with great carefulness and was unwilling to formally document those things which he had obviously communicated to them in person.

Plus, in those days, delivering a letter was considerably costlier, more laborious, and time-consuming than merely writing one; especially compared to the ease of email correspondence nowadays. So it wouldn’t have been prudent for Paul to be so vague in his letter unless it was intentional. Also, let’s not fail to note that it is only in 2^nd Thessalonians 2:5 that Paul can be found imploring his readers to “Remember you not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things,” making this a clear departure from Paul’s normal manner of wholly giving himself to clearly define “these things” whether in person or letter. Therefore, Paul had to believe there was more wisdom in being vague and petitioning them to recall, than there was in establishing an official document outlining “these things” with Silvanus, Timothy and his name being attached to it. His following comment concerning “when I was yet with you,” makes it obvious he was confident they would recall what he had taught them in private and “know what withholds.” For though Paul openly preached to the Jews and Gentiles alike that Jesus was the Christ, there were some things that he knew should only be taught to those who by their rebirth and salvation would have a firm foundation of faith in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, and could therefore be entrusted with some “meat” from God’s word.

1st Corinthians 3:10 – According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise master builder, I have laid the foundation, and another builds thereon. But let every man take heed how he builds thereupon. ¹¹ For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

Consequently, due to Paul’s elusiveness in 2^nd Thessalonians 2:5-7, there has been a diversity of interpretations concerning “what” it was that “withholds” and “who” the “he” might be “who now lets will let, until he be taken out of the way.” Remember, most of what is believed today is contrary to what was almost a unanimous consensus of thought among protestant believers who believed this “man of sin… son of perdition” referred to the position of the papacy, or the succession of popes of Roman Catholicism. Nowadays, the two most popular theories being promoted are, first, the rapture of the church, and second, the removal of the Holy Spirit of God from the world in the last days before the rise of an antichrist figure.

Because of this radical change of thought in the church concerning this man of sin, I think it is best to review some scriptures that provide valuable insight into Paul’s method of ministry and documents some of the critical details and events which had transpired while he was in Thessalonica. First, it must be noted that while the Apostle Paul was a preacher of righteousness who was given revelations and vision, he did not preach solely from the position of his authority as an apostle. Rather, it was always Paul’s habit to utilize the sure word of prophecy as his greatest resource to persuade others of the truth of the Gospel. For Paul knew if his message agreed with the prophets, then on the authority of that which was “written,” he had a solid foundation whereby he could persuade men that his message was worthy of their consideration.

Romans 16:25 – Now to Him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, ²⁶ But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:  ²⁷ To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ forever. Amen. 

Ephesians 2:19 – Now therefore you are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief corner stone.

It is estimated that Paul quoted, referenced, or made clear inference to the Law and the Prophets approximately 268 times in his known epistles. His position regarding the surety of scripture is made further evident by his acknowledgement to Timothy “that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus” and reminding Timothy that, “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.”

Paul wrote to the Corinthians “Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.” Likewise, he wrote to the Thessalonians that they too “became followers of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Ghost.” Therefore, when he told them to “Prove all things; hold fast that which is good,” he did so because it was his own conviction that as a believer, he too must prove all things by the scriptures. The reason I stress these things is to make the point that “what withholds” was something that Paul could have taught to the Church of Thessalonica from either the Law or the Prophets. This practice of Paul is confirmed to us by Luke’s record in the Acts of the Apostles.

Acts 17:1 – Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews: ² And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three Sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures, ³ Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.

Having presented scriptural evidence confirming Paul’s method of revealing “the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, but now is made manifest, and [was] by the scriptures of the prophets,” let us go on to the second point and examine those aforementioned “critical details concerning those events which occurred while he was in Thessalonica.”

Acts 17:4 – And some of them believed, and consorted with Paul and Silas; and of the devout Greeks a great multitude, and of the chief women not a few. ⁵ But the Jews which believed not, moved with envy, took unto them certain lewd fellows of the baser sort, and gathered a company, and set all the city on an uproar, and assaulted the house of Jason, and sought to bring them out to the people. ⁶ And when they found them not, they drew Jason and certain brethren unto the rulers of the city, crying, These that have turned the world upside down are come hither also; ⁷ Whom Jason has received: and these all do contrary to the decrees of Caesar, saying that there is another king, one Jesus. ⁸ And they troubled the people and the rulers of the city, when they heard these things.  ⁹ And when they had taken security of Jason, and of the other, they let them go. ¹⁰ And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.

What we glean from the above passage is that Paul reasoned the scriptures for three Sabbaths with the Jews and certain “devout Greeks,” or converts who already believed in the God of the Jews. However, in Paul’s first epistle we learn that many within this “great multitude of Greeks” in Thessalonica were still in their pagan idolatry before they heard Paul’s Gospel and came to an acknowledgement of Jesus as the Christ.

1^st Thessalonians 1:1 – Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ. ² We give thanks to God always for you all, making mention of you in our prayers; ³ Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father; ⁴ Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God. ⁵ For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as you know what manner of men we were among you for your sake. ⁶ And ye became followers of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Ghost: ⁷ So that you were ensamples to all that believe in Macedonia and Achaia. ⁸ For from you sounded out the word of the Lord not only in Macedonia and Achaia, but also in every place your faith to God-ward is spread abroad; so that we need not to speak any thing. ⁹ For they themselves show of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God; ¹⁰ And to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.  

Based upon Paul’s account in his first epistle, it would seem they were in Thessalonica much longer than just the three Sabbaths mentioned by Luke, for he used the time not only to win many of the Greeks to the Lord, but also the time to teach them tenets of the faith that would enable them to endure the “much affliction” he speaks of “with joy of the Holy Ghost.” He further spoke of how they had become “ensamples to all that believe in Macedonia and Achaia, for from you sounded out the word of the Lord not only in Macedonia and Achaia, but also in every place your faith to God-ward is spread abroad; so that we need not to speak anything.” That is quite an endorsement of the Thessalonian’s soundly established faith.

Likewise, Paul’s mention of their “work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope” is a further indication that Paul and Silas continued to minister to the Gentiles after their turning from “the Jews which believed not.” For Paul writes how they all “became followers of us, and of the Lord” and in so doing had “received the word in much affliction,” and yet still possessed “patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ.” Therefore, this all would seem to indicate that the duration of their stay was sufficient to not only lay the foundation of Jesus as the Christ in their lives, but to also teach them many other things that were foretold by the prophets. For their now knowing these things and having faith, they were waiting “for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.”

Accusations of Treason

 However, we must not fail to give attention to those details recorded by Luke about the “Jews which believed not, and moved with envy, and took unto them certain lewd fellows of the baser sort, and gathered a company, and set all the city on an uproar, and assaulted the house of Jason, and sought to bring them out to the people.” This was no small commotion, for they “drew Jason and certain brethren unto the rulers of the city,” and made charges against Paul, Silvanus, and Timotheus; that these whom Jason had received, “that have turned the world upside down, are come hither also… and these all do contrary to the decrees of Caesar, saying that there is another king, one Jesus.”

These are not minor complaints, for these are accusations of treason against Caesar and Rome. Hence “they troubled the people and the rulers of the city, when they heard these things and when they had taken security of Jason and of the other, they let them go.” This means Jason was required to give money as a security, or bond, before they would let him go. Understanding the seriousness with which Rome dealt with those who were seditious and traitors against Caesar, a penalty of certain death, “the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea.”

Plus, before their going to Thessalonica, Paul and Silas had been in Philippi where they had been beaten and accused of going against the customs of Rome there as well. 

Acts 16:20 – And brought them to the magistrates, saying, These men, being Jews, do exceedingly trouble our city, ²¹ And teach customs, which are not lawful for us to receive, neither to observe, being Romans. ²² And the multitude rose up together against them: and the magistrates rent off their clothes, and commanded to beat them. ²³ And when they had laid many stripes upon them, they cast them into prison, charging the jailor to keep them safely: ²⁴ Who, having received such a charge, thrust them into the inner prison, and made their feet fast in the stocks.

 Thus, it is both understandable and obvious that the brethren had greatly feared for the lives of Paul and Silas and were greatly desirous to deliver them from any danger that might befall them based upon these new accusations. And yet, with reasonable confidence, we can be sure their apprehension was not based solely upon the events in Philippi or a few Thessalonian “Jews which believed not” and those “certain lewd fellows of the baser sort.” For from both Paul’s epistle and Luke’s account in the Acts of the Apostles we can safely conclude they understood that there were many things on the horizon which were soon going to transpire concerning God’s judgment upon Israel. All this obviously being part of that to which he was referring by saying “Remember you not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?” It would in addition seem safe to conclude that Paul would have obviously articulated to them much of what he may have learned from Luke and others concerning what Jesus Christ had taught concerning the aforementioned “wrath to come.” 

 That excerpt was taken from the second chapter of my book, "Giving Way to the Son of Perdition"

[truth7t7]

7 hours ago, Luther said:

You said: " The Levitical High Priest Dressing represents "The Woman", that is dressed in purple, scarlet, gold, and precious stones as seen"

Q: what does the levitical priesthood have to do with everything else going on in Revelation 18?

1.) "The Woman" referring to a religious power, the Levitical high priest is clearly described as wearing these colors, and his breastplate is adorned with precious stones and gold as you were shown, his place of authority was the Jerusalem temple 

2.) Jerusalem sits on seven mountains

3.) Jerusalem is the great city where Jesus was crucified

4.) Jerusalem is guilty of the prophets blood, from the very words of Jesus Christ that were shown

1+1+1+1 = Jerusalem

Ezekiel's explanation below showing the high priest dress representing Jerusalem the whore

Ezekiel 16:9-18KJV

⁹ Then washed I thee with water; yea, I throughly washed away thy blood from thee, and I anointed thee with oil.

¹⁰ I clothed thee also with broidered work, and shod thee with badgers' skin, and I girded thee about with fine linen, and I covered thee with silk.

¹¹ I decked thee also with ornaments, and I put bracelets upon thy hands, and a chain on thy neck.

¹² And I put a jewel on thy forehead, and earrings in thine ears, and a beautiful crown upon thine head.

¹³ Thus wast thou decked with gold and silver; and thy raiment was of fine linen, and silk, and broidered work; thou didst eat fine flour, and honey, and oil: and thou wast exceeding beautiful, and thou didst prosper into a kingdom.

¹⁴ And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord God.

¹⁵ But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was.

¹⁶ And of thy garments thou didst take, and deckedst thy high places with divers colours, and playedst the harlot thereupon: the like things shall not come, neither shall it be so.

¹⁷ Thou hast also taken thy fair jewels of my gold and of my silver, which I had given thee, and madest to thyself images of men, and didst commit whoredom with them,

¹⁸ And tookest thy broidered garments, and coveredst them: and thou hast set mine oil and mine incense before them.

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1 hour ago, BlindSeeker said:

The ten horns come from Rome's fall. They are clearly on the head of the 4th beast The other 3 "are fallen" already, and when Rome fall as well, none of them are  around when the ten horns come into being specific historic entities, especially not when the "Little horn" enter into its prophetic significance.

When the Roman Empire fell from its height it divided up into considerably smaller kingdoms which have been reckoned as follows. However, together they help define the expanse to which Rome rose.

1.           The Roman senate. 

2.           The Greeks, in Ravenna. 

3.           The Lombards in Lombardy.

4.           The Huns in Hungary. 

5.           The Alemans, in Germany.

6.           The Franks in France.

7.           The Burgundians in Burgundy.

8.           The Saracens in Africa, and a part of Spain. 

9.           The Goths, in other parts of Spain. 

10.       And the Saxons, in Britain.

Wrong, the ten kings will be the kings of the 10 lost tribes of Israel that will be recognized in the future, and they will quickly give their power to (The Beast)

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6 hours ago, Luther said:

You said: "nonetheless permitted to continue on “for a season and time.” This reveals that there is a continuation of national events in the world after the destruction of the “little horn.” 

"False"

The (Little Horn) is destroyed at the second coming "final judgement" (The End) as seen below, the verses following are doing nothing more than a recap of events, no time exist beyond the second coming "final judgement" (The End) The Books Are Opened, The Judgement Is Set

It's somewhat amazing how you disregard this fact before your eyes in scripture "Why"? 

Daniel 7:9-11KJV

9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

Edited January 26 by truth7t7