" Replacement Theology"

[Anne2]

47 minutes ago, The Light said:

Who is the first fold and who is the second fold?

Jew first, then Gentile...What has this to do with. What has this to do with a nation that will come to faith? Jew and Gentile are one in Christ.

I think perhaps you are attempting to reconcile two things, or remedy two distinct identities, keeping them distinct despite the gospel?

 

Edited April 6 by Anne2

[The Light]

48 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

Jew first, then Gentile...What has this to do with. What has this to do with a nation that will come to faith? Jew and Gentile are one in Christ.

It is Gentiles first and then the Jews.

It has everything to do with what is to happen. So many of you want to skip the details of what is to happen and jump right to end when two folds become one fold.

48 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

I think perhaps you are attempting to reconcile two things, or remedy two distinct identities, keeping them distinct despite the gospel?

 

I think you want to skip the details of what God tells us is to happen and jump right to the end.

Gentiles first and then the Jews...........as it is written.

[Anne2]

35 minutes ago, The Light said:

It is Gentiles first and then the Jews.

It has everything to do with what is to happen. So many of you want to skip the details of what is to happen and jump right to end when two folds become one fold.

I think you want to skip the details of what God tells us is to happen and jump right to the end.

Gentiles first and then the Jews...........as it is written.

What  details? We may disagree on details (context). You seem to (not sure)look to the conclusion as details. So I am asking.

Reading the Gospels we see John's baptism as the escape from wrath that was coming upon the people of Israel. As Paul says Jew's are judged by the law. So there I see a distinction between Jew and Gentile in the Gospels. The wrath that was coming was to the jew first in the law. Then after that wrath is done, he will judge gentiles for how they treated Israel. There is where I see a distinction.

Deut 29:

27  And the anger of the LORD was kindled against this land, to bring upon it all the curses that are written in this book:
28  And the LORD rooted them out of their land in anger, and in wrath, and in great indignation, and cast them into another land, as it is this day.

The law judges Jew's first, then later Gentiles

Deut 30:1 And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee,
7  And the LORD thy God will put all these curses upon thine enemies, and on them that hate thee, which persecuted thee.
 

....Both Jew and gentile as one in Christ, both escape Gods wrath according to what the law prophesies. The temple being destroyed, them being cast out of the land and persecuted among the nations, was for Jew's at that time. 

Lu 21:23  But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

Joh 3:36  He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
 

Ac 2:40  And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

So yes indeed the Jew first....John's Baptism a warning to flee the wrath that was imminent on that generation

Mt 3:7  But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Lu 3:7  Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

But, that view point does not speak to what you are distinguishing, so I am asking. 

Edited April 6 by Anne2

[The Light]

9 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

What  details? We may disagree on details (context). You seem to (not sure)look to the conclusion as details. So I am asking.

Reading the Gospels we see John's baptism as the escape from wrath that was coming upon the people of Israel. As Paul says Jew's are judged by the law. So there I see a distinction between Jew and Gentile in the Gospels. The wrath that was coming was to the jew first in the law. Then after that wrath is done, he will judge gentiles for how they treated Israel. There is where I see a distinction. The law judges Jew's first, then later Gentiles....Both Jew and gentile as one in Christ, both escape Gods wrath according to what the law prophesies. The temple being destroyed, them being cast out of the land and persecuted among the nations, was for Jew's at that time. 

But, that view point does not speak to what you are distinguishing, so I am asking. 

The details Anne2 is that the Jews at that time didn't believe that Jesus was the Messiah. They did not hear His voice. They will not be the first fold of sheep.

John 10

14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

It is the Gentiles that know His voice and follow Him. 

After the fullness of the Gentiles comes in..........the pretribulation rapture.......God will remove the blindness from part of Israel...........the seed of the woman, the twelve tribes across the earth.

This is why there are 144,000 first fruits of the second harvest or second fold.

Many of the 12 tribes across the earth will be regrafted into the second fold.

There two folds...........two raptures ...........two harvests......BEFORE the wrath of God.  And one of the folds is the Gentile harvest at the pretribulation rapture.

[Anne2]

29 minutes ago, The Light said:

The details Anne2 is that the Jews at that time didn't believe that Jesus was the Messiah. They did not hear His voice. They will not be the first fold of sheep.

John 10

14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

I am sorry, I think you are out of context with the scripture. The apostles and many thousands believed among the Jew's. These being called

The Church of the firstborn....what Israel is...

Ex 4:22  And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:
What the kingdom is....

Ex 19:6  And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
 

Passover, the apostolic seder memorial

 Heb 11:28  Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them.

 Heb 12:23  To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

So what that some did not believe...

29 minutes ago, The Light said:

14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

It is the Gentiles that know His voice and follow Him. 

A chosen generation

1Pe 2:9  But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: 

Priest for firstborn

Nu 3:12  And I, behold, I have taken the Levites from among the children of Israel instead of all the firstborn that openeth the matrix among the children of Israel: therefore the Levites shall be mine;
Nu 3:13  Because all the firstborn are mine; for on the day that I smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt I hallowed unto me all the firstborn in Israel, both man and beast: mine shall they be: I am the LORD.

Church of the firstborn,,,,, TWELVE Apostles...

The Israel of God

.Ga 6:16  And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

 Heb 12:23  To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

All son's are HEIRS, but only one given the birthright of the firstborn have a portion of inheritance above their brother. So, I can surely accept a continuity of the Apostles with their kinsman in the flesh, being blinded, but heirs somehow. But not like some are preaching here...

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[NConly]

1 hour ago, Anne2 said:

 

Why see it that way?

An holy nation... 

1Pe 2:9  But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: {peculiar: or, purchased } {praises: or, virtues }

 

 

  It seems to be laid out in Ezk 36 37 38 39 fairly well. Israel messed up was scattered then brought back rejected the one of Deu 18:15 and the NC so we Gentiles were grafted into the NC later Israel will acknowledge Jesus as Savior and be brought into NC 

You do not agree with this?

 

 

[Anne2]

27 minutes ago, NConly said:

 

  It seems to be laid out in Ezk 36 37 38 39 fairly well. Israel messed up was scattered then brought back rejected the one of Deu 18:15 and the NC so we Gentiles were grafted into the NC later Israel will acknowledge Jesus as Savior and be brought into NC 

You do not agree with this?

 

 

I do not think so.. Ezekiel or any prophet speaks according to the law don't they?

Mt 11:13  For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.raffed into the new covenant? The tree is the Israel of God....

Why is you won't recognize the Apostles  a kingdom of priests? They were not Gentiles.

 

Edited April 6 by Anne2

[The Light]

29 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

I am sorry, I think you are out of context with the scripture.

I am exactly in context. You said the folds are Jew and Gentile. This is correct. Then you said that the Jew was the first fold. And you were incorrect.

Christ came for the Jew first......and they would not. 

Matthew 23

37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

The fig tree has two harvests. The fathers of Israel were supposed to be the first fruits of the first harvest. But they served Baalpeor. The Gentiles become the first harvest or first fold.

Hosea 9

10 I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: but they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto that shame; and their abominations were according as they loved.

After the pre tribulation rapture, there are 144,000 first fruits of the second harvest.

Gentiles the first fold before the great tribulation and Jews the second fold before the wrath of God.

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[Anne2]

4 minutes ago, The Light said:

I am exactly in context. You said the folds are Jew and Gentile. This is correct. Then you said that the Jew was the first fold. And you were incorrect.

What has this to do with Jew first Gentile last in the manner you are speaking? I associated that notion with the firstborn.... The Apostolic Church...

[NConly]

8 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

I do not think so.. Ezekiel or any prophet speaks according to the law don't they?

Mt 11:13  For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.raffed into the new covenant? The tree is the Israel of God....

Why is you won't recognize the Apostles  a kingdom of priests? They were not Gentiles.

 

Ezk  36

1 Also, thou son of man, prophesy unto the mountains of Israel, and say, Ye mountains of Israel, hear the word of the LORD:

Ezk 37

1 The hand of the LORD was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the LORD, and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones,

Ezk 38

1 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

Ezk 39

1 Therefore, thou son of man, prophesy against Gog, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

God the Father was in charge of what was written imo