" Replacement Theology"

[Anne2]

3 minutes ago, NConly said:

Ezk  36

1 Also, thou son of man, prophesy unto the mountains of Israel, and say, Ye mountains of Israel, hear the word of the LORD:

Ezk 37

1 The hand of the LORD was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the LORD, and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones,

Ezk 38

1 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

Ezk 39

1 Therefore, thou son of man, prophesy against Gog, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

God the Father was in charge of what was written imo

Which Israel???? 

Paul says the jew first, then the gentile. The law says the same. 

And the prophets speaking by the spirit,,,,,can call Israel, Jerusalem Egypt as to spiritually called...

Re 11:8  And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Isa 1:10  Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.

 

[NConly]

14 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

I do not think so.. Ezekiel or any prophet speaks according to the law don't they?

Mt 11:13  For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.raffed into the new covenant? The tree is the Israel of God....

Why is you won't recognize the Apostles  a kingdom of priests? They were not Gentiles.

 

The prophets did prophesied until john then as soon as Jesus was baptized he was tempted by the devil and the angels restored his health and He went to

12 Now when Jesus had heard that John was cast into prison, he departed into Galilee;

13 And leaving Nazareth, he came and dwelt in Capernaum, which is upon the sea coast, in the borders of Zabulon and Nephthalim:

14 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying,

15 The land of Zabulon, and the land of Nephthalim, by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles;

16 The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.

and began his preaching the NC no more prophesying needed He was here on Earth with the NC in hand.

He went to Israel first their choice was accept Jesus as Savior or stay under OC

then He went to the Gentiles and their choice was stay alienated from God or accept Jesus as Savior imo

[The Light]

12 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

What has this to do with Jew first Gentile last in the manner you are speaking? I associated that notion with the firstborn.... The Apostolic Church...

There are two folds..........or groups of sheep. The first fold will be the Gentiles as we hear His voice and He knows us. The second fold will be the 12 tribes across the earth, the seed of the woman.

And that is what is going to happen in the world. There will be two harvests and the first harvest will be the Gentiles before the great tribulation.

The second harvest will be the 12 tribes across the earth, BEFORE the wrath of God.

These two folds are joined together into one fold...........the great multitude.

The point being that many want to skip the details and jump straight to the one fold. 

There are two raptures, two harvests.....two folds. 

[Luther]

15 hours ago, The Light said:

There may be one body, but there are two folds.

And f what is the relevance of "two" folds when the final product is "one"? 

[Anne2]

8 minutes ago, NConly said:

The prophets did prophesied until john then as soon as Jesus was baptized he was tempted by the devil and the angels restored his health and He went to

12 Now when Jesus had heard that John was cast into prison, he departed into Galilee;

13 And leaving Nazareth, he came and dwelt in Capernaum, which is upon the sea coast, in the borders of Zabulon and Nephthalim:

14 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying,

15 The land of Zabulon, and the land of Nephthalim, by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles;

16 The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.

and began his preaching the NC no more prophesying needed He was here on Earth with the NC in hand.

He went to Israel first their choice was accept Jesus as Savior or stay under OC

then He went to the Gentiles and their choice was stay alienated from God or accept Jesus as Savior imo

He came preaching the kingdom of God......why are you ignoring the Jewish church?

[NConly]

11 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

Which Israel???? 

Ezk 37

15 The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,

16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:

17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?

19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.

21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

[NConly]

11 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

Which Israel???? 

Ezk 37

15 The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,

16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:

17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?

19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.

21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

[NConly]

6 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

He came preaching the kingdom of God......why are you ignoring the Jewish church?

Part of Israel accepted Jesus and part did not. The ones whom rejected him continued in OC OL. The ones who accepted Jesus as Savior went into the NC NL

describe this Jewish church you mention I will tell you where I think they stand.

[Anne2]

28 minutes ago, NConly said:

Part of Israel accepted Jesus and part did not. The ones whom rejected him continued in OC OL. The ones who accepted Jesus as Savior went into the NC NL

describe this Jewish church you mention I will tell you where I think they stand.

Those who rejected him, still continue in the covenant of circumcision .

Joh 7:22  Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of their fathers;) and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.
Ro 4:11  And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:

There is no new law, it is the same law all the ancients walked by the law of Faith. See Hebrews

Heb 11:4  By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh. 

 Mosaic covenant was not made with Abraham

Circumcision...To Israel for an everlasting covenant......

Deut 5:2  The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
3  The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.
! Chron 16:15  Be ye mindful always of his covenant; the word which he commanded to a thousand generations;
16  Even of the covenant which he made with Abraham, and of his oath unto Isaac;
17  And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant,
18  Saying, Unto thee will I give the land of Canaan, the lot of your inheritance;

 

Ps 105:8  He hath remembered his covenant for ever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations.
9  Which covenant he made with Abraham, and his oath unto Isaac;
10  And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant:
11  Saying, Unto thee will I give the land of Canaan, the lot of your inheritance: {lot: Heb. cord }

A covenant of Mercy, grace and compassion...
De 7:12  Wherefore it shall come to pass, if ye hearken to these judgments, and keep, and do them, that the LORD thy God shall keep unto thee the covenant and the mercy which he sware unto thy fathers: {if: Heb. because }

And
1 Ki 13:23  And the LORD was gracious unto them, and had compassion on them, and had respect unto them, because of his covenant with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and would not destroy them, neither cast he them from his presence as yet. 

And

Mic 7:19  He will turn again, he will have compassion upon us; he will subdue our iniquities; and thou wilt cast all their sins into the depths of the sea.
20  Thou wilt perform the truth to Jacob, and the mercy to Abraham, which thou hast sworn unto our fathers from the days of old.
 

New covenant

De 10:16  Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.
De 30:6  And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.
 

Edited April 6 by Anne2

[Luther]

On 3/2/2025 at 10:56 AM, FriendofJonathan said:

No doubt the writings of John Nelson Darby, C. I. Scofield, Charles Larkin, and many others has poisoned the minds of many who claim to be faithful followers of Christ into believing that God has two or more gospels, two or more plans of redemption, two peoples to redeem, and two eternal destinations for His redeemed. 

Their false teachings have caused division and strife, many of whom in the dispensational camps go so far as to call those that disagree with their premillenial, pretrib rapture, dispensational theology, children of the devil.  And they convince those that follow their teachings, that those who did but left, were led away by Satan, wrongfully using 1 John 2:19 to condemn those that left their dispensational teaching. 

Pray to God that their eyes be opened to the truth of scripture that God has only one gospel, one plan of redemption, one people to redeem, and one eternal destination for His redeemed. Amen. 

 

 

Totally agree. I find that the biggest, most  falsely taught premise is that a particular nation of people are going to have a second chance when Jesus Christ comes. Instead of understanding the end as the church fathers have throughout history, a recent perversion of Revelation 20, along with treating the allegorical language of the OT as literal,   has made it all but impossible for anyone to accept the fact that when Jesus comes, it will be the end of this world, and there will be no extension of time to repent. 

This is where ( I believe)  the church got it's literal 1,000 year interpretation influence :

AI Overview:

While the term "chiliasm" (belief in a literal thousand-year reign of Christ) is more prominent in Christian theology, particularly premillennialism, the concept of a Messianic Age or a period of peace and righteousness on earth, which is the core of chiliasm, has roots in Jewish thought and can be found in some Jewish literature, including the Talmud, though not explicitly as "chiliasm". 

Here's a more detailed explanation:

Chiliasm's Roots:

The idea of a future Messianic Age, a period of peace and righteousness on earth, is a common theme in Jewish apocalyptic literature and some interpretations of prophetic texts. 

Talmud and Jewish Thought:

While the Talmud (a collection of rabbinic discussions and interpretations of Jewish law) doesn't explicitly use the term "chiliasm" or discuss a literal thousand-year reign, it does contain ideas and interpretations that can be seen as precursors to or related to chiliastic views. 

Messianic Expectations:

The Talmud and other Jewish texts often speak of a future era of peace and universal understanding, where the Messiah will bring about a time of justice and righteousness. 

Eschatology:

Jewish eschatology (the study of the end times) includes various interpretations of the future, some of which involve a Messianic Age or a period of redemption, which can be seen as related to chiliastic ideas. 

(IMHO), If one  digs a little and finds out who financed Scofield and his heretical "study"Bible, one may get a sense of a plan to subvert the Christian church into a place where ( quite frankly) we are today. 

( The purpose of my reply is to invoke critical thought in a time where we are either going to be on the Lord's side or be deceived through a continuously active force weakening our understanding).