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The purpose of God is more than to give repentance (Act 5:31, 11:18) (2 Tim 2:25), or remission of sins (1Joh 2:2), or faith (Php 1:29, Rom 12:3), or salvation by His grace (Eph 2:8). Many through out the scriptures were given these awesome gifts (Eph 4:7-10) of our generous and loving God. Christ came into this world in the flesh as the sacrifice for sins of the whole world but there is more to be received which is a Spiritual operation (Tit 3:5) (1Co 12:13) that transforms (Rom 12:2) by placing us into His Body (1Co 12:13) which gives us eternal life in Him (1Jn 5:11), this is His eternal purpose (Eph 3:11). This transformation by the Spirit gives the understanding (Rom 12:2-3) for us to believe and it was not possible to receive until Christ ascended back to the Father and sent His Spirit.
 

Joh 3:6  That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit

1Co 2:14  But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned

Man cannot understand God’s eternal purpose or worship in truth until they are born of the Spirit (Eph 1:17-20) .


Joh 3:7  Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 
Joh 3:8  The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.  

Joh 6:27  Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

The bread is His body which perished at the cross for forgiveness of sins and only those that are born again by the Spirit can receive His Spirit body and Spirit blood unto eternal life. The gift of the Spirit seals us (2Co 1:22) with the Spirit in us (1Co 6:19) and only after the Spirit indwells us can we understand spiritual things (1Co 2:7-14).
 

2Co 3:17  Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.  

Joh 6:33  For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world. 
Joh 6:44  No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me
draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Draw….Probably akin to G138; to drag (literally or figuratively): - draw. Compare G1667. 

Joh 6:51  I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world. 

The living bread is Spirit (2Co 3:17) and it can not perish (Joh 6:27) yet He gave His flesh as a sacrifice for sin.    

Joh 6:53  Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. 
Joh 6:54  Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. 
Joh 6:55  For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. 
Joh 6:56  He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

Christ spoke of His body and blood as Spiritual food not His body of flesh. The disciples did not understand that he was speaking of the Spirit body He had before he can down from heaven unless one believes that Christ is telling them to literally eat His flesh and drink His blood. The flesh profits nothing.  

Joh 6:60  Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it
Joh 6:61  When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you? 
Joh 6:62  What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? 

Joh 6:63  It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. 
Joh 6:64  But there are some of you that believe not.
For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him. 
Joh 6:65  And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

The Father gives all that is necessary, the understanding, repentance, remission of sin, faith, salvation from destruction, and eternal life. He draws man as He wills by His grace, it is not by our will (Luk 22:42).  

Joh 6:66  From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. 
Joh 6:67  Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away? 
Joh 6:68  Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

Just hearing the words of eternal life has no power without the Spirit given understanding which God uses to draw us to Christ.
 
Joh 6:69  And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God. 
Joh 6:70  Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? 
Joh 6:71  He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve. 

Joh 7:33  Then said Jesus unto them, Yet a little while am I with you, and then I go unto him that sent me. 
Joh 7:34  Ye shall seek me, and shall not find me: and where I am, thither ye cannot come. 
Joh 7:37  In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. 
Joh 7:38  He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 
Joh 7:39  (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

If the Holy Ghost, the Spirit of Christ, was not yet given, it was impossible to be born of the Spirit which gives eternal life until after Christ ascended. 

Joh 8:14  Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go. 

Joh 8:51  Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.

Joh 11:26  And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? 

Joh 12:32  And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. 

Joh 14:16  And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 
Joh 14:17  Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Christ is speaking of Himself as the Comforting Spirit that will come and abide in them forever after returning to the Father at His ascension. It is impossible for Christ in resurrected flesh to enter man thus He, Christ, had to transform and become the Spirit at His ascension (Mat 17:2). Now Christ is that Spirit (2 3:17-18) that enters man transforming him into a born again new creature (2Co 5:17).  

Joh 14:18  I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you
Joh 14:19  Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. 
Joh 14:20  At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

That day is when His Spirit enters a man and gives him the knowledge of the Fathers eternal purpose in Christ.  

Joh 16:7  Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. 
Joh 16:8  And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

Joh 17:3  And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. 
Joh 17:4  I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. Joh 17:5  And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Christ was speaking of returning to the eternal Spirit body He had with the Father in glory before He became flesh.

Joh 17:11  And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.   

Joh 17:24  Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. 

Christ now sits at the right hand of the Father (1Pet 3:22) in His very presence and He will come to you (Joh 14:18), indwell you (Joh 14:17-18), giving you peace and comfort in your darkest hour (Isa 41:10). At death you will not be alone (Heb 13:5-6), He will take you to the Father (Eph 2:18) and you will be one with them (Joh 17:21) in one Spirit body (Eph 4:4). 
 

Eph 4:4  There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 

2Co 5:8  We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 
 


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Christ, the Son is not the Holy Spirit. There are 3 persons in the Godhead, Father, Son & Spirit, distinct but of one substance.


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1Co 15:45  And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

2Co 3:16  Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away. 
2Co 3:17  Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 

Col 1:27  To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Christ was the creator God who became a man and was our sinless sacrifice and after He accomplished our redemption ascended back to the Father and became the life giving Spirit.


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We always grow up in more Revelation on the Gospel.  And how Huge it actually is.  In my own Words I will say like this.  The Gospel is the Revelation of the Father and Child Relationship.  And the heart of it is the Child growing up in the Life of its Dad to become an Adult in the Same Life He is Living.  A song which is an Edifying song to assist in Revelation of this is this one which I just Love and enjoy listening to.  It just never gets "old".

Like Father Like Son by Leon Ferreira

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On 1/6/2025 at 5:44 AM, Cntrysner said:

Christ now sits at the right hand of the Father (1Pet 3:22) in His very presence and He will come to you (Joh 14:18), indwell you (Joh 14:17-18), giving you peace and comfort in your darkest hour (Isa 41:10). At death you will not be alone (Heb 13:5-6), He will take you to the Father (Eph 2:18) and you will be one with them (Joh 17:21) in one Spirit body (Eph 4:4).

Greetings @Cntrysner...

Your OP is a good post...I hope people will read and understand what you have presented my brother...it will be worth it for some. For most...they won't understand because the institutional Christian church is under a delusion that they do not realize...which is why this Truth is hard for them. They generally and typically do not see Christ in the manner which you have revealed.

As they apostatize...which they are...some will hear and receive what you have offered here and..."Come out of her, my people, so that you will not participate in her sins and receive of her plagues; for her sins have piled up as high as heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.  "Pay her back even as she has paid, and give back to her double according to her deeds; in the cup which she has mixed, mix twice as much for her." Revelation 18:4-6 NASB

They read passages like Isaiah 9:6 NASB  "For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace."  Which clearly states that the "Son that was given" is also the "Mighty God and Eternal Father" and miss it.

Tatwo...:)

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