Resurrection as Birth

[Your closest friendnt]

@Feedmysheep 

 Jesus said to John in the book of Revelation 1st chapter that "I AM THE FIRST AND I AM THE LAST"

Revelation 1:4-6

4 Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits before his throne, 5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.

To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, 

6 and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father—to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.

-------In verse 5 we have the Heavenly testimony that it says that Jesus Christ is the first born from the dead and the ruler of the kings of the earth. 

It said two things that he is the first born from the dead which includes that he paved the way for others to follow. 

Definitely I do not for a moment believe that Jesus Christ will live John the Baptist down there with Abraham that He is going to seperate these two. Definitely no because he will take both of them out from there. There we are we have two who will also be born from the dead. Did we forgot anyone down there in the place of the dead which Jesus said it is in the heart of the earth. And how about Abraham who hoped and hold to the promise and was waiting to be reunited with Ismael and Issac was waiting to be reunited with the Son he loved too much his son Esau. Who also were waiting for Jesus Christ so they can be included in the blessing of Abraham to the promised seed to come through whom the whole world will be blessed.  

Did not Jesus said that he has a mission to fulfilled to set the captives free and to give the light to those who are in the land of the dead?

The people in the place of the dead including Abraham isaac and jacob and the prophet and King David knew that the only way for Messiah to get to them and lead them out from there into to the promised Heavenly place to be together with their Lord it was for the Messiah to die first and David got it that the Messiah will get his body back but not they. Indeed Jesus Christ was the first born from the dead. Congratulations to that.

[Feedmysheep]

19 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

I do not see your accersions in the bible. 

Jesus was a different man from any other Jewish man or from any of the people of God in the Sinai Covenant. 

To begin with he was calling himself the Son of Man. 

<<<I do not see your accersions in the bible. >>>

I think you'd have to be specific. The verses in Colossians are quite plain.

<<<Jesus was a different man from any other Jewish man or from any of the people of God in the Sinai Covenant. >>>

On the other hand of this mystery, how do you feel about the verses saying He was like us?

Since therefore the children have shared in blood and flesh, He also Himself in like manner partook of the same, . . .  (Heb. 2:14a) 

For we do not have a High Priest who cannot be touched with the feeling of our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all respects like us, yet without sin. (Heb. 4:18)

<<<To begin with he was calling himself the Son of Man. >>>

How would  you regard His desire that "the Son of Man" not  "abide alone" ?

And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified.

Truly, truly, I say to you, Unless the grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it abides alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit. (John 12:23,24) 

 

Edited January 9 by Feedmysheep

[Feedmysheep]

To continue about the Gospel of John more that the synoptics revealing Christ's resurrection was also His birth as the Firstborn Son of God: 

In the Gospel of John specifically, Jesus did not refer to His disciples as "brothers" until He had been resurrected. 

Jesus said to her, Do not touch Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brothers and say to them, I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God. (John 20:17) 

Before this moment, in John, the most intimate term the Lord used for His disciples was "friends."  

You are My friends if you do what I command you.

No longer do I call you slaves, for the slave does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all the things which I have heard from My Father I have made known to you. (John 15:14,15)

But, praise the Lord, after His resurrection He called them "brothers." For it was through His resurrection that they received the life of God to be regenerated. First Peter 1:3 shows that redeemed people are regenerated through the resurrection of Christ from the dead.

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has regenerated us unto a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,(1 Pet. 1:3)

 The evangalist John wants to bring this out by recording that the resurrected Jesus declared that henceforth the former "friends" now owned His Father as thier Father. 

. . . go to My brothers and say to them, I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God. (John 20:17) 

  Through His resurrection they were regenerated with the divine life by the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. 

   This revelation is particular to the Gospel of John. It is also indicated in John 12:24. Christ was the one grain of wheat that fell into the ground to die and grew up to produce "much fruit" the mass production of the grain that would not abide alone. 

More on this below. 

 

 

[Feedmysheep]

When were we born again Christian brothers and sisters?  Yes it is not wrong to say "Well, when I was age _____ a number of years ago, I was born again." 

 That's may  be true from our point of view as being in time. From another trancendent viewpoint, from the viewpoint of the Triune God, we were all regenerated at the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.

 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has regenerated us unto a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, (1 Pet. 1:3)

We who have eternal life were "born" - RE-GENE-erated through the resurrection of Christ from the dead.  If you are able to receive it, receive.

John brings this out in his gospel. Jesus only referred to the disciples as brothers and children of His Father the day He was resurrected.

In this sense we believers were really born again before we were born. From the eternal viewpoint transcending time, we all were born again at and through the resurrection of Jesus Christ. 

Edited January 9 by Feedmysheep

[Feedmysheep]

On the day of Christ's resurrection the only begotten Son of God became the Firstborn Son of God among many brothers. 

His many brothers (regenerated former friends) are the church. That is a corporate expression of God the Father in the Son. 

For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things and through whom are all things, in leading many sons into glory, to make the Author of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

For both He who sanctifies and those who are being sanctified are all of One, for which cause He is not ashamed to call them brothers,

Saying, “I will declare Your name to My brothers; in the midst of the church I will sing hymns of praise to You.” (Heb. 2:10-12)

From the divine viewpoint transcending time, God put His divine life into us before were even born with the natural life. 

Do not jeer. Don't recoil in skepticism. Isn't it also true that the Lamb of God was slain from the foundation of the world? The time element sometimes has to be transcendid to see things through the eyes of our Father. 

 . . . book of life of the Lamb who was slain from the foundation of the world. (Rev. 13:8b) 

But with precious blood, as of a Lamb without blemish and without spot, the blood of Christ;

Who was foreknown before the foundation of the world but has been manifested in the last of times for your sake, (1 Pet. 1;19,20) 

Similarly, we became brothers to the Firstborn Son of God when He regenerated us through His resurrection. 

Edited January 9 by Feedmysheep

[Your closest friendnt]

@Feedmysheep 

This is the new hope we have with the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Peter speaking particularly to the Jews believers. Who had before the hope of Abraham. 

Peter reflects how it was under the Law when their hope was to be gathered to Abraham. 

And Peter is says with the resurrection of Jesus and his ascension to Heaven God gave us a New Hope that at death we will be going to Haven. Because that's where Jesus went. 

1 Peter 1:3 is a passage in the Bible that describes God's blessings and how Jesus' resurrection gives Christians a living hope. It also reminds Christians that they have an eternal inheritance in heaven. 

[Feedmysheep]

17 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

@Feedmysheep 

 

And Peter is says with the resurrection of Jesus and his ascension to Heaven God gave us a New Hope that at death we will be going to Haven. Because that's where Jesus went. 

1 Peter 1:3 is a passage in the Bible that describes God's blessings and how Jesus' resurrection gives Christians a living hope. It also reminds Christians that they have an eternal inheritance in heaven. 

     Do you think going to heaven will be the solving of all our problems?  Do you think the resurrection of our dead physical body will solve all our problems? 

 More importanly, will it solve all of God's problems?

      Suppose I have never been transformed out of my bad temper, my lack of forgiveness, or self pity?  Suppose I die with a unconfessed sin of adultery. Or even I die with a lingering prejudice against people of a different skin color such that I never liked to pray with them or eat with them?

  Do you think going to heaven will solve all those problems in my soul? 

   We believers need to see that transformation into the image of Christ is our only salvation. And that from glory to glory by the indwelling Spirit.   

And the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

But we all with unveiled face, beholding and reflecting like a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, even as from the Lord Spirit. (2 Cor. 3:17,18)

Christianity has been drugged too much with the thought of heaven going. Rather than going to a happy place salvation concists of being transformed to be like Christ our life. 

Paul and his co-workers struggle not just to make sure everybody can go to heaven but that we would be "full-grown" in Christ. Am I right? Birth must be followed by growth unto maturity. 

Whom we announce, admonishing every man and teaching every man in all wisdom that we may present every man full-grown in Christ;

For which also I labor, struggling according to His operation which operates in me in power. (Col. 1:28,29) 

  Christ is planted into us that He may grow and spread into all of our being. You know He is the hope of glory within. 

To whom God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory,(Col. 1:27) 

It is time we graduated from the hope of heaven going to the hope of becomming mingled with God for the building of New Jerusalem the corporate expression of the mingling of divinity and humanity. 

 Paul says when Christ our life is manifested we are to be manifested with Him in the glorious expression of divinized humanity.  

If therefore you were raised together with Christ, seek the things which are above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God.

Set your mind on the things which are above, not on the things which are on the earth.

For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God.

When Christ our life is manifested, then you also will be manifested with Him in glory. (Col. 3:1-4) 

The birth of this new race of God-men occured at the resurrection of Christ when He was the firstborn from the dead. To this Firstborn Son our destiny is all to be comformed to Him. This is deeper than going to heaven in the typical religious sense.

And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose.

Because those whom He foreknew, He also predestinated to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the Firstborn among many brothers; (Rom. 8:28,29) 

Edited January 10 by Feedmysheep

[Your closest friendnt]

I Peter 1:23

Berean Literal Bible
23 having been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, by the living and abiding word of God. 

That's how we are born again in the words of Peter. Peter is telling them that they have been born again. 

It this verse it does not say when that happened and how it happens. But he is speaking to believers in Jesus Christ long after the day of Pentecost. And his audience are both Jews and Gentiles.  

Edited January 10 by Your closest friendnt

[FreeGrace]

6 hours ago, Feedmysheep said:

     Do you think going to heaven will be the solving of all our problems?  Do you think the resurrection of our dead physical body will solve all our problems? 

 More importanly, will it solve all of God's problems?

      Suppose I have never been transformed out of my bad temper, my lack of forgiveness, or self pity?  Suppose I die with a unconfessed sin of adultery. Or even I die with a lingering prejudice against people of a different skin color such that I never liked to pray with them or eat with them?

  Do you think going to heaven will solve all those problems in my soul? 

Seems you think we take our sinful nature to heaven with us.  Why?

[Your closest friendnt]

1 minute ago, FreeGrace said:

Seems you think we take our sinful nature to heaven with us.  Why?

I was waiting for someone to say that. This is why we ascend to be with Jesus after the literal death of our body. 

Why do someone wants to live eternity with a devour body from illness or from an air plane crash or from the volcano falling on their head. 

The scriptures say they were raised to appear for their Judgement as they were out from their body as they is no body anymore. Without their body.