Questions about Jesus's return and what happens thereafter

[farouk]

13 minutes ago, Indentured Servant said:

I would personally favor what Scripture actually says rather than when someone interprets it as saying.

Scripture says 1000 years,multiple times, and gives no precedence for that not being literal.

One significant aspect of future things is also making the distinction between Israel and the church. So often this is denied, if not explicitly, then practically.

[Indentured Servant]

1 hour ago, farouk said:

One significant aspect of future things is also making the distinction between Israel and the church. So often this is denied, if not explicitly, then practically.

There are many who seem to almost ignore that intentionally. I've attempted conversations about that recently, and was met with insults... I think some people just adopt a narrative that suits them, and they defend it with greater fervor than Scripture, itself.

[farouk]

12 minutes ago, Indentured Servant said:

There are many who seem to almost ignore that intentionally. I've attempted conversations about that recently, and was met with insults... I think some people just adopt a narrative that suits them, and they defend it with greater fervor than Scripture, itself.

Someone has said: Context is co-text...

[Keras]

5 hours ago, farouk said:

One significant aspect of future things is also making the distinction between Israel and the church. So often this is denied, if not explicitly, then practically.

There certainly is a distinction between the Jewish State of Israel and the Christian Church. 

But the Israelites of God are the Christian peoples. Galatians 3:26-29     Literally the Overcomers for God. 

[farouk]

4 hours ago, Keras said:

There certainly is a distinction between the Jewish State of Israel and the Christian Church. 

But the Israelites of God are the Christian peoples. Galatians 3:26-29     Literally the Overcomers for God. 

1 Corinthians 10.32 makes the distinction between, Jews, Gentiles and the church of God.

[truth7t7]

12 hours ago, Marston said:

So then what is the proper interpretation of that scripture in Revelation?

Revelation 20:1-6 Isnt A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Dont Be Deceived

Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?

2.) Physical Earthly Throne?

3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time

2 Peter 3:8KJV

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV

1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Edited January 24 by truth7t7

[WilliamL]

On 1/22/2025 at 6:25 PM, Keras said:

There is no scripture which says this, The idea of any 'transformation', 'glorified bodies', or anyone receiving immortality when Jesus Returns, is false and will not happen.

1 John 3:2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.

So what is He like? transformed, glorified, resurrected, and immortal!

[Keras]

4 hours ago, WilliamL said:

1 John 3:2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.

So what is He like? transformed, glorified, resurrected, and immortal!

You fail to note that John 3:2 and other Prophesies like 1 Cor 15, do not specify the time of their fulfilment. 

We get that clearly stated information from Revelation 20:11-15. AFTER the Millennium. 

At the Return, those who are worthy to go with Him into the Millennium, will be like Him, in their lives and actions. Immortality cannot come until the Book of Life is opened. 

[WilliamL]

On 1/24/2025 at 5:45 PM, Keras said:

You fail to note that John 3:2 and other Prophesies like 1 Cor 15, do not specify the time of their fulfilment. 

Oh but they do! "..at His Parousia..."

And the time of His Parousia is well detailed in quite a number of End Time NT scriptures, as proven in the following article which itemizes them:

52. The Parousia of the Son of Man

Reviews the use of the term parousia by Jesus, Paul, and Peter, and what is thereby revealed about the sequence of End Time events. https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/2211-the-parousia-of-the-son-of-man/

[Keras]

5 hours ago, WilliamL said:

Oh but they do! "..at His Parousia..."

The idea of a body change at Jesus' Return, is not clearly stated in the NT.  But a clear Prophecy which proves the peoples in the Millennium will be mortals, is Isaiah 65:20

It is a contradiction of the Bible and an illogical theory, to believe those worthy, will receive any kind of body change for the Milennium.