have you ever wondered how they,Jesus and the other two men were taken down?

[Locust]

in my experience in building pole barns  occasionally a pole would get put in the wrong place ,dodo happens , how to lift a pole up and out can be a challenge when it has to be done by hand . attaching cross bar near the base gave a hand hold which made lifting easy . 

I find it hard to believe the execution Stakes in the time when jesus walked the earth were a one and done use , 

it brings me to the opinion that jesus and the other two men did not die on crosses ,it simply takes to long for death to happen on a cross . 

[Locust]

On 3/4/2025 at 4:11 PM, other one said:

I would think it would depend on who took the body down.   I'm not sure if it matters enough to make a thread about.  I had enough trouble with the nailing part.

just for fun lets say  crosses were used and who ever it was wanted to leave the cross standing so they used ladders to get up to the nails . first the nails in the feet could be removed. them someone would have to support the body likely with rope done from the back side .

could one man hold the body up wile the nails were removed ??

where does the ladder get set for someone to climb up to remove the nails from the hands??

what kind of tool was used to get the nails out?? I have a thought that the nails could be bent ,back and forth,  over and over till the nails brake off. the nails were of iron not steel . iron nails that thin would brake off with a few back and forth action. I've done it with nails in the here and now ,I know that it works. 

still its not something i'd like to do up on a ladder with the weight of a man hanging on them. 

[FriendofJonathan]

On 3/3/2025 at 2:19 PM, Locust said:

i have .in reality there is but one smart way . i have worked the better part of my life as a carpenter . building homes ,pole barns, decks .

standing poles  by hand is doable ,two men can make it happen .

yet i speculate it was much harder to stand a pole with a man nailed on up nearer the top .as soon as the pole is lifted the body that was on the top side is going to rotate so that the body would then be on the bottom side. at that point the men would have to put hands on the person not on wood. 

the romans were clever and well  practiced .they truly did things we would like to think ''that was not possible.''  

i will speculate they knew that if a cross bar is placed about 4' from the bottom it would give two extra men a place to give aid

(i know that, likely they did to.)

not only would they keep the thing from rolling over  but when it gets raised enough  they would take over in the push to stand it .

hours later the men, now dead ,were taken down . how was that done?

As we read from Scripture, permission was sought and granted to Joseph of Aramathea to take the body of Jesus. It is likely that Roman guards were still in place on Golgatha, who were likely the ones that lowered the cross and removed the spikes in order to free Jesus's body from the cross.  

I doubt accomplishing the removal of the spikes was an easy task. The body's flesh would have constricted and stiffened around the spikes, making their removal more difficult.  A gruesome site to be sure. 

Edited March 6 by FriendofJonathan

[Whosoever]

First off, not everything you see in the movies or read in novels or see in pictures is actually how things happened back then.  We can however, from our own recent history know that executions, that occur outdoors, are not done without preparations.

The Old West hangings for example.  Without preparing the platforms you could not have a "LEGAL" hanging. 

The cross required a platform.  How did they get those things up and then take them down.  The romans had a very deadly weapon called a Catapult.  It raised up and after it fired it had a retrievel system that aloud for reloads.  

A cross could be picked up by a catapult type of system, the platform, and then allowed to slide down onto the base in the ground which, like a crane if you will, and retrieved off the base and laid back down.  They did all with ropes.  

I'm not suggesting that this method is what was used, but they did have the technology to accomplish such a task.  Preparing the platform was the key. 

 

 

[Jaydub]

4 hours ago, Locust said:

in my experience in building pole barns  occasionally a pole would get put in the wrong place ,dodo happens , how to lift a pole up and out can be a challenge when it has to be done by hand . attaching cross bar near the base gave a hand hold which made lifting easy

Pole only had to be out of the ground 7 foot and if they bent his legs it could have been shorter

 

4 hours ago, Locust said:

it brings me to the opinion that jesus and the other two men did not die on crosses ,it simply takes to long for death to happen on a cross .

It was suppose to take a long time, that's why Pilot was surprised that Jesus was dead already and why the soldiers had to break the legs of the other two, in order to speed up death

[Locust]

1 hour ago, Jaydub said:

Pole only had to be out of the ground 7 foot and if they bent his legs it could have been shorter

 

It was suppose to take a long time, that's why Pilot was surprised that Jesus was dead already and why the soldiers had to break the legs of the other two, in order to speed up death

yet not surprised that the other two men were not dead. their legs were then broken 

[Locust]

1 hour ago, Jaydub said:

Pole only had to be out of the ground 7 foot and if they bent his legs it could have been shorter

yes all of that .other wise the legs could not be reached so that the leg could be broken. 

sad how many picture them men were 8-10 feet off the ground

[BibleStudent100]

On 3/3/2025 at 11:19 AM, Locust said:

i speculate it was much harder to stand a pole with a man nailed on up nearer the top .as soon as the pole is lifted the body that was on the top side is going to rotate so that the body would then be on the bottom side. at that point the men would have to put hands on the person not on wood.

Great question; I perceive you are asking about the mechanics of placing a human on a stake or cross, as some believe, as what occurred to Jesus.  You make a good point about the weight involved with a 160lb man, plus the weight of the timber.  We don't know how high the human was placed on the beam/s, nor how deep was the receiving shaft for the timber.  

A preliminary thought I have is that a wooden scaffold apparatus could have been used to lift up the stake/cross, especially useful at the hardest part of the lifting, which would have been at about 90 degrees up to the final resting spot of 180 degrees, i.e. vertical.

[Locust]

I tend to think the simplest way was most likely used.

there had to be enough room above the hands for a sign to hang . there had to be enough space for a stretched out man ,of that time ,to hang without touching the ground. 7' +1'for the sign =8' of pole +at least 3' into a hole now getting close to a 12' pole ?? could of been 10' .we really are making educated guesses.

the person could not be stretched out to much as they were able to push them selves up just enough to to breathe after hanging there for, 5 hours??  then if not dead ,then brake the legs, so that they could no longer push themselves up.

[Look2hiscrosS]

perhaps the Romans left the bodies of the crucified hanging indefinitely or forever and did not themselves take the bodies off of the poles and crosses and the family would have to find a way to get their friend or family down and to a burial place.

 

perhaps they just tied a rope around the body and someone loosened the nails and hoisted the body to the ground.