Christ's kingdom will never be physically on this earth

[Retrobyter]

On 3/6/2025 at 8:31 PM, Luther said:

Luke 17:20-21 KJV

And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

[21] Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

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The kingdom of God is made up of Christians , symbolically "lively stones" and Jesus is the " living stone" ( 1 Peter 2: 3-5). We are " found in Him"  (Philippians 3:9) having the righteousness of God by His faith. We are reigning with our Lord right now           (2 Timothy 2:12, Revelation 5:10).

Shalom, @Luther.

This is nonsense, of course. I understand why someone would take this point of view; however, the prophetic Scriptures are plain. He SHALL reign upon this earth, and not in some "church," either!

Fair warning: This post is going to be Scripture intensive, posting several passages of Scripture together at one time, because they WORK together.

Consider:

Luke 1:30-33 (KJV)

30 And the angel [Gavriy'Eel or "Gabriel" = "God is my strength"] said unto her,

"Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God! 31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name 'JESUS' (Hebrew: Yeeshuwa` = "He shall save"). 32 He shall be great, and shall be called THE SON OF THE HIGHEST: and the LORD God shall give unto him THE THRONE OF HIS FATHER DAVID: 33 And HE SHALL REIGN OVER THE HOUSE OF JACOB FOR EVER; and OF HIS KINGDOM THERE SHALL BE NO END."

The magi ("wisemen") inadvertently announced the Messiah's birth to Herod the Great when they asked,

Matthew 2:1-2 (KJV)

1 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, 2 Saying,

"Where is he that is born KING OF THE JEWS? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship (to bend the knee to) him."

These are in fulfillment of the Davidic Covenant:

2 Samuel 7:1-17 (KJV)

1 And it came to pass, when the king sat in his house, and the LORD had given him rest round about from all his enemies; 2 That the king said unto Nathan the prophet,

"See now, I dwell in an house of cedar, but the ark of God dwelleth within curtains!"

3 And Nathan said to the king,

"Go, do all that [is] in thine heart; for the LORD [is] with thee."

4 And it came to pass that night, that the word of the LORD came unto Nathan, saying,

5 "Go and tell my servant David,

"'Thus saith the LORD,

"'"Shalt THOU build ME an house for me to dwell in? 6 Whereas I have not dwelt in [any] house since the time that I brought up the children of Israel out of Egypt, even to this day, but have walked in a tent and in a tabernacle. 7 In all [the places] wherein I have walked with all the children of Israel spake I a word with any of the tribes of Israel, whom I commanded to feed my people Israel, saying, 'Why build ye not me an house of cedar?' "'

8 "Now therefore so shalt thou say unto my servant David,

"'Thus saith the LORD of hosts,

"'"I took thee from the sheepcote, from following the sheep, to be ruler over my people, over Israel: 9 And I was with thee whithersoever thou wentest, and have cut off all thine enemies out of thy sight, and have made thee a great name, like unto the name of the great [men] that [are] in the earth. 10 Moreover I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime, 11 And as since the time that I commanded judges [to be] over my people Israel, and have caused thee to rest from all thine enemies."

"'Also the LORD telleth thee that HE will make THEE an house.

12 "'"And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever. 14 I WILL BE HIS FATHER, AND HE SHALL BE MY SON. If he commit (be twisted into) iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men: (and this happened at the cross) 15 But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took [it] from Saul, whom I put away before thee. 16 And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever."'"

17 According to all these words, and according to all this vision, so did Nathan speak unto David.

Many believers ("Christians") make this claim about Luke 17:20-21, but they fail to see that the word "you" in verse 21 is the PLURAL word "ὑμῶν," not the singular "σοί." "Humoon" is the locative of "humeis" meaning "ye" or "you," a group of people, not just a single person. This is information that is LOST when one gives up the King James Version. While it's not as well-known anymore, the "ye's" and "you's" (and "your's" and "yours's") in the English of the KJV are PLURAL; the "thee's" and "thou's" (and "thy's" and "thine's") are SINGULAR, second-person words in number.

Therefore, in this particular case, the word ἐντὸς or "entos" means "AMONG the GROUP." And, guess who was "among them?" The MESSIAH or "the ANOINTED of the LORD," Yeeshuwa`, same as were Sha'uwl ("Saul"), David, and Shlomoh ("Solomon"), the One anointed to be the King of the Jews and the King of Israel, was among them! And where the King is, there is also the Kingdom! That's why AT THAT TIME, the Kingdom didn't have to come with pomp and circumstance! HE WAS ALREADY THERE!

On 3/6/2025 at 8:31 PM, Luther said:

 As you can see, we are intimately associated with our Savior. We are what makes up His kingdom. 

Oops! Sorry, but this is not correct! Look carefully at 1 Corinthians 15:20-28:

1 Corinthians 15:20-28 (KJV)

20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, [and] become the firstfruits (a singular word) of them that slept. 21 For since by man [came] death, by man [came] also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order:

(0) Christ the firstfruits;
(1) AFTERWARD THEY THAT ARE CHRIST'S AT HIS COMING. 
24 (2) Then [cometh] the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy [that] shall be destroyed [is] death. 27 For he (God the Father) hath put all things under his (the Son of God's) feet. {But when he saith "all things" are "put under [him," it is] manifest that "he" is excepted (is the exception to the all things), which did "put all things under him."| 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Now, here's where it takes a little bit of logic:  IF the Messiah (the Christ) is the LORD'S Anointed to be King of Israel (and that's what the word means), then ALL of those who were born to the lines of Israel are "those who belong to the Messiah!" Furthermore, WE who are Gentile believers are GRAFFED INTO the Messiah's "Olive Tree!" We are included WITH the Jews - the children of Yhuwdaah ("Judah") - because the Messiah Himself is a Jew! Through Him, we become a PART of God's Kingdom, over whom God the Father will reign through His Anointed One, Yeeshuwa`. It's VERY short-sighted, self-centered, egotistical, and audacious to think that we're all who will constitute His Kingdom! Just who do we think we are?! Doesn't one think that Yeeshuwa` HIMSELF will determine those who "belong to Him, as the LORD'S Messiah" ot "the LORD'S Anointed?"

On 3/6/2025 at 8:31 PM, Luther said:

Nowhere does God say He has two kingdoms, one for Christians and one for a future group of  people in a politically acquired state called Israel. No scripture like that exists. Anyone who believes that is following after a false doctrine.

Right, there's not "two kingdoms" in that way; however, one should not succumb to MORE nonsense! Whose Kingdom was it at the start?! It wasn't of the Gentiles (the nations); it was of the CHILDREN OF ISRAEL! They are LITERALLY the children and grandchildren (however many "greats" are added) of the MAN called Yisraa'eel ("Israel")! His name, based upon the Hebrew word "sar," means "he-[is]-a-prince of-God," just as a "Jew" is a "Yhuwdiy" or "one-from-[the-tribe-of]-Yhuwdaah" or "Judah."

ALL THE SAME, there ARE two Kingdoms, found within the parables of our Lord as described in Matthew 13:

 

On 3/6/2025 at 8:31 PM, Luther said:

ONE KINGDOM. You must understand that the kingdom of God ( in Jesus Christ) has been in formation since the beginning of time, since men began " to call upon the name of the LORD "  (Genesis 4:26). 

Yes, one Kingdom. No, not "since the beginning of time." When "men began to call upon the name of the LORD," they were calling THEMSELVES with names constructed from the name or title of the LORD!

"The LORD" in all caps was used in the KJV to translate the Hebrew word "YHWH," which God used to convey His name to Moses. It was frequently followed by the word for "God," the Royal Plural word "'Elohiym." "Lord" with normal capitalization was often used to translate "'Adonaay" which means "my-exalted-Lord" or "my-exalted-foundation-layer," as in "he who lays the foundation of a city." So, in Genesis, when the translator of the KJV found "YHWH 'Elohiym," he would write "the LORD God."

This practice was altered when the two words translated "Lord" and "LORD" were used together. It would sound redundant to say "Lord LORD." So, the word "God" was used in all caps (or in capitalized miniscule letters) as "GOD." So, in the book of Ezekiel, for example, one will find "'Adonaay YHWH" translated as "Lord GOD."

In Genesis 4:26, men were beginning to tack on the name of God ("YAH") or the word "God" ("'El ") onto their names. Names like "Mehujael" and "Methusael" and "Mahalaleel."

Names that, for us, end in "-iah" or "-jah" have the name of God ("YAH") embedded within their meanings. These include "Elijah," "Zechariah," and "Zephaniah."

Names that end in "-el" have the Hebrew word for "God" ("'Elohiym" or "'El " singular for short) embedded within their meanings. These include "Daniel," "Joel," and "Ezekiel."

That's what was going on. They weren't "getting saved," as I've heard some teach.

On 3/6/2025 at 8:31 PM, Luther said:

The churches are being deceived by the children of the devil who want their own kingdom on this earth without Jesus Christ, the One they fear the most. They have gone to great lengths to steal the wonderful promises found in the OT regarding all in Christ, a temple being built by His "lively stones", and place themselves there....of course when all the Christians are "raptured."

To be "raptured" doesn't mean or imply that we're going to be "taken to Heaven." Since "heaven" means "sky," we go THROUGH the "heavens" - THROUGH the "skies" - to where the Messiah wants us to go WHEN HE GETS BACK! He shall send out His messengers ("aggeloi") to gather us to help Him with taking back His Land, the Land of Israel.

However, we're going to have SUCH A HUGE learning curve to overcome, that we read in the prophecies,

Isaiah 63:1-19 KJV

1 "Who [is] this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this [that is] glorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength?"

"I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save."

2 "Wherefore [art thou] red in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winefat?"

3 "I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people [there was] none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment. 4 For the day of vengeance [is] in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come. 5 And I looked, and [there was] none to help; and I wondered that [there was] none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me. 6 And I will tread down the people in mine anger, and make them drunk in my fury, and I will bring down their strength to the earth (the ground)."

7 I will mention the lovingkindnesses of the LORD, [and] the praises of the LORD, according to all that the LORD hath bestowed on us, and the great goodness toward the house of Israel, which he hath bestowed on them according to his mercies, and according to the multitude of his lovingkindnesses. 8 For he said,

"Surely they [are] my people, children [that] will not lie":

so he was their Saviour. 9 In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old.

10 But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, [and] he fought against them.

11 Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, [and] his people, [saying],

"Where [is] he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where [is] he that put his holy Spirit within him? 12 That led [them] by the right hand of Moses with his glorious arm, dividing the water before them, to make himself an everlasting name? 13 That led them through the deep, as an horse in the wilderness, [that] they should not stumble?"

14 As a beast goeth down into the valley, the Spirit of the LORD caused him to rest: so didst thou lead thy people, to make thyself a glorious name. 15 Look down from heaven, and behold from the habitation of thy holiness and of thy glory: where [is] thy zeal and thy strength, the sounding of thy bowels and of thy mercies toward me? are they restrained? 16 Doubtless thou [art] our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O LORD, [art] our father, our redeemer; thy name [is] from everlasting. 17 O LORD, why hast thou made us to err from thy ways, [and] hardened our heart from thy fear? Return for thy servants' sake, the tribes of thine inheritance. 18 The people of thy holiness have possessed [it] but a little while: our adversaries have trodden down thy sanctuary. 19 We are [thine]: thou never barest rule over them; they were not called by thy name.

On 3/6/2025 at 8:31 PM, Luther said:

Psalm 2:6-7 KJV

Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

[7] I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

HaHar Tsiyown (The Mountain of-Zion) is the mountain range upon which Jerusalem is built. THAT is where the Messiah shall be installed as Israel's King, not in some fictional "Heaven."

On 3/6/2025 at 8:31 PM, Luther said:

Hebrews 1:5,8 KJV

5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

These are quotations from Psalm 2:7 and 2 Samuel 7:14 found in Hebrews 1:5. They are both prophecies about the coming Messiah.

On 3/6/2025 at 8:31 PM, Luther said:

[8] But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

(Jesus is only setting up ONE THRONE, in heaven.)

THIS prophecy is SEVERELY misunderstood! It's found in Psalm 45, and there are multiple changes in persons to whom the writer is speaking. Here's the Psalm in its entirety:

Psalm 45:1-17 (KJV)

1 [[To the chief Musician upon Shoshannim, for the sons of Korah, Maschil, A Song of loves.]]

My heart is inditing a good matter: I speak of the things which I have made touching the king: my tongue [is] the pen of a ready writer.

[Speaking to the King:]

2 "Thou art fairer than the children of men: grace is poured into thy lips: therefore God hath blessed thee for ever. 3 Gird thy sword upon [thy] thigh, O [most] mighty, with thy glory and thy majesty. 4 And in thy majesty ride prosperously because of truth and meekness [and] righteousness; and thy right hand shall teach thee terrible things. 5 Thine arrows [are] sharp in the heart of the king's enemies; [whereby] the people fall under thee."

[Speaking to God:]

6 "THY THRONE, O GOD, [IS] FOR EVER AND EVER: THE SCEPTRE OF THY KINGDOM [IS] A RIGHT SCEPTRE."

[Speaking to the King ABOUT His God:]

7 "Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. 8 All thy garments [smell] of myrrh, and aloes, [and] cassia, out of the ivory palaces, whereby they have made thee glad. 9 Kings' daughters [were] among thy honourable women: upon thy right hand did stand the queen in gold of Ophir."

[Speaking to the Queen:]

10 "Hearken, O daughter, and consider, and incline thine ear; forget also thine own people, and thy father's house; 11 So shall the king greatly desire thy beauty: for he [is] thy Lord; and worship thou him."

[Description of the Queen:]

12 And the daughter of Tyre [shall be there] with a gift; [even] the rich among the people shall intreat thy favour. 13 The king's daughter [is] all glorious within: her clothing [is] of wrought gold. 14 She shall be brought unto the king in raiment of needlework: the virgins her companions that follow her shall be brought unto thee. 15 With gladness and rejoicing shall they be brought: they shall enter into the king's palace.

[God speaks to the King:]

16 "Instead of thy fathers shall be thy children, whom thou mayest make princes in all the earth. 17 I will make thy name to be remembered in all generations: therefore shall the people praise thee for ever and ever."

It's confusion to think that verses 6 and 7 are talking to the same Person. The author of Hebrews quoted a passage from this psalm that had NO verse numbers at the time. Certain sentences or phrases were more memorial than others; so, the writer quoted a familiar passage to lead into the following sentence. It was certainly more memorable to recognize that YHWH GOD HIMSELF is the REAL King of Israel; therefore, it's HIS throne and HIS Kingdom. David recognized this fact; the physical King is GOD'S Representative! And, Yeeshuwa` basically said the same thing: "I do always those things which please the Father." (John 8:29). "I and my Father are one" (much as a man and a woman are one in marriage, John 10:30). "He that hath seen me hath seen my Father also." (John 14:9). "My judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me." (John 5:30).

On 3/6/2025 at 8:31 PM, Luther said:

Psalm 145:10-13 KJV

All thy works shall praise thee, O LORD; and thy saints shall bless thee.

[11] They shall speak of the glory of thy kingdom, and talk of thy power;

[12] To make known to the sons of men his mighty acts, and the glorious majesty of his kingdom.

[13] Thy kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and thy dominion endureth throughout all generations.

(There is one kingdom, for Christians, not of this world):

There is but one Kingdom, but it is for ALL those who belong to the Messiah! And, it IS for this world! THIS is where He will reign, first for 1,000 years in this age, and then forever in the ages to come!

On 3/6/2025 at 8:31 PM, Luther said:

John 18:36 KJV

Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

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If you are fighting for your kingdom to be set up on this earth, not only is there zero  Biblical support for that, it certainly would not be a kingdom from  God. If you are deceiving many to support you for that cause, that's even worse. 

Below is an excerpt from a book I highly recommend:

"The Bible: a literal futurist hermeneutic assessed

It has been shown that the development of a literal and futurist reading of Scripture and, in particular, the argument that Old Testament references to Israel apply to contemporary Jews and the State of Israel rather than the church, is directly attributable to Irving, Darby and those who attended the Albury and Powerscourt conferences of the 1820s and 1830s. These were given particular expression in Darby's dispensational scheme and then codified and accorded virtually canonical status in the Scofield Reference Bible. Sandeen observes that dis-pensationalism has 'a frozen biblical text in which every word was supported by the same weight of divine authority', 107 Clarence Bass goes further, insisting:

No part of historic Christian doctrine supports this radical distinction between church and kingdom. To be sure they are not identical; but Dispensationalism has added the idea that the kingdom was to be a restoration of Israel, not a consummation of the church."

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Whoever the writer of the "recommended book" is, he doesn't know what he's talking about. The MESSIAH, "Christ" in Greek, is a JEWISH Messiah! He is One who is ANOINTED by God to be ISRAEL'S King!

There's no such thing as an "ENTITY" called the "church," particularly not the "Capital C Church," as Moody's Janet Parshall is known to say. The "church" is simply a gathering of people, a "called-out" assembly, even as the town assembly of Ephesus was in Acts 19. The word "church" actually comes from the ADDITIONAL Greek word "kuriokon" which means "of the Lord." Specifically, it was an "ekkeesia kurikon." an "assembly of-the-Lord." There's nothing special about a "gathering" or an "assembly." What made them special was that they were all believers that Yeeshuwa` was (and is) the Messiah of the LORD God! (1 John 5:1). But WITHIN the Messiah, "there is no difference between Jew and Gentile." (Romans 3:22). Outside of the Messiah, there's still a difference:

Romans 3:1-3 (KJV)

1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit [is there] of circumcision?

Many who are antisemitic "Christians in name only" ("Chrinos") would like to say, "None," at this point, but Paul continues...

2 MUCH EVERY WAY: chiefly, because that unto them were committed THE ORACLES (SPOKEN WORDS) OF GOD. 3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?

On 3/6/2025 at 8:31 PM, Luther said:

Consummation? Absolutely:

1 Corinthians 15:23-24 KJV

But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

[24] Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

Sorry, but this was taken out of its full context and misunderstood. The passage is from the Resurrection Chapter, and just about everything in this chapter is about Resurrection.

1 Corinthians 15:20-28 (KJV)

20 But now is Christ RISEN from the dead, [and] become the firstfruits (singular) of them that slept. 21 For since by man [came] death, by man [came] also the RESURRECTION of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all BE MADE ALIVE. 23 But every man in his own order [i.e., three significant resurrections]:

(0) Christ the firstfruits (singular, happened in the First Century);
(1) afterward they that are Christ's AT HIS COMING. (Still yet to come.)
24 (2) Then [cometh] THE END, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For HE MUST REIGN, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy [that] shall be destroyed [is] death. 27 For "he (God) hath put all things under his (Christ's or the Messiah's) feet."

[But when he saith "all things are put under [him (the Christ or Messiah, the Son of God)," it is] manifest (obvious) that "he" (God the Father) is excepted, which did "put all things under him."}

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

There are two significant Resurrections that are yet to occur: The Resurrection at the Second Coming of our Lord, and The Resurrection "at the end" of the age, which is what John was talking about in Revelation 20:1-15:

Revelation 20:1-15 (KJV)

1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him A THOUSAND YEARS, 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till THE THOUSAND YEARS should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ A THOUSAND YEARS. 5 (But the rest of the dead lived not again until THE THOUSAND YEARS were finished.) This (pointing back to verse 4) [is] the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him A THOUSAND YEARS. 

7 And when THE THOUSAND YEARS are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom [is] as the sand of the sea. 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city (Jerusalem): and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And THE SEA GAVE UP THE DEAD WHICH WERE IN IT; AND DEATH AND HELL DELIVERED UP THE DEAD WHICH WERE IN THEM: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And DEATH and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

The "thousand years" are about the chaining of haSatan (Hebrew for "the Enemy"). It will start when haSatan is chained, and will be finished when he is released.

So, the progression is ...
1. The First Resurrection (which occurs during the Second Coming),
2. the 1000-year chaining of haSatan in the bottomless pit begins,
3. the first 1,000 years of His reign while haSatan is chained while He shall "REIGN, till he hath put all enemies under his feet,"
4. the release of haSatan from the bottomless pit at the end of the 1,000 years,
5. the Fire falls upon the army of haSatan.
6. the Second Resurrection (which occurs after the Fire falls and just before the Great White Throne Judgment),
7. the Great White Throne Judgment itself,
8. the Sentencing of those found guilty to the Lake of Fire and Sulfur (or the Lake of Burning Sulfur, which is molten and burns a deep blue color)
9. God remakes the earth into the New Earth, and the sky into the New Sky,
10. the New Jerusalem (with the "many rooms" or "mansions") descends to the New Earth and lands upon it.

On 3/6/2025 at 8:31 PM, Luther said:

Everyone in Christ, who makes up the kingdom of God, becomes one with the Father. And that's the end of this world. No foolish talk of a continuation of another kingdom for others besides Christians. It is done. 

Acts 19:8 KJV

And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.

Can't you see? Paul went to the jews to get them out of the synagogues and into the kingdom of God ( body of Christ). Did he say to them, "Don't worry, Christ will set up a kingdom on this sin cursed earth so your future people who reject my Savior will have a thousand years to get right with Him?" 

Today is the day of salvation. 

Matthew 25:34 KJV

Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Luke 22:29-30 KJV

And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; [30] That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

I'll deal with the rest of this  later.

[Locust]

32 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, @Luther.

This is nonsense, of course. I understand why someone would take this point of view; however, the prophetic Scriptures are plain. He SHALL reign upon this earth, and not in some "church," either!

Fair warning: This post is going to be Scripture intensive, posting several passages of Scripture together at one time, because they WORK together.

Consider:

Luke 1:30-33 (KJV)

30 And the angel [Gavriy'Eel or "Gabriel" = "God is my strength"] said unto her,

"Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God! 31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name 'JESUS' (Hebrew: Yeeshuwa` = "He shall save"). 32 He shall be great, and shall be called THE SON OF THE HIGHEST: and the LORD God shall give unto him THE THRONE OF HIS FATHER DAVID: 33 And HE SHALL REIGN OVER THE HOUSE OF JACOB FOR EVER; and OF HIS KINGDOM THERE SHALL BE NO END."

The magi ("wisemen") inadvertently announced the Messiah's birth to Herod the Great when they asked,

Matthew 2:1-2 (KJV)

1 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, 2 Saying,

"Where is he that is born KING OF THE JEWS? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship (to bend the knee to) him."

These are in fulfillment of the Davidic Covenant:

2 Samuel 7:1-17 (KJV)

1 And it came to pass, when the king sat in his house, and the LORD had given him rest round about from all his enemies; 2 That the king said unto Nathan the prophet,

"See now, I dwell in an house of cedar, but the ark of God dwelleth within curtains!"

3 And Nathan said to the king,

"Go, do all that [is] in thine heart; for the LORD [is] with thee."

4 And it came to pass that night, that the word of the LORD came unto Nathan, saying,

5 "Go and tell my servant David,

"'Thus saith the LORD,

"'"Shalt THOU build ME an house for me to dwell in? 6 Whereas I have not dwelt in [any] house since the time that I brought up the children of Israel out of Egypt, even to this day, but have walked in a tent and in a tabernacle. 7 In all [the places] wherein I have walked with all the children of Israel spake I a word with any of the tribes of Israel, whom I commanded to feed my people Israel, saying, 'Why build ye not me an house of cedar?' "'

8 "Now therefore so shalt thou say unto my servant David,

"'Thus saith the LORD of hosts,

"'"I took thee from the sheepcote, from following the sheep, to be ruler over my people, over Israel: 9 And I was with thee whithersoever thou wentest, and have cut off all thine enemies out of thy sight, and have made thee a great name, like unto the name of the great [men] that [are] in the earth. 10 Moreover I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime, 11 And as since the time that I commanded judges [to be] over my people Israel, and have caused thee to rest from all thine enemies."

"'Also the LORD telleth thee that HE will make THEE an house.

12 "'"And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever. 14 I WILL BE HIS FATHER, AND HE SHALL BE MY SON. If he commit (be twisted into) iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men: (and this happened at the cross) 15 But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took [it] from Saul, whom I put away before thee. 16 And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever."'"

17 According to all these words, and according to all this vision, so did Nathan speak unto David.

Many believers ("Christians") make this claim about Luke 17:20-21, but they fail to see that the word "you" in verse 21 is the PLURAL word "ὑμῶν," not the singular "σοί." "Humoon" is the locative of "humeis" meaning "ye" or "you," a group of people, not just a single person. This is information that is LOST when one gives up the King James Version. While it's not as well-known anymore, the "ye's" and "you's" (and "your's" and "yours's") in the English of the KJV are PLURAL; the "thee's" and "thou's" (and "thy's" and "thine's") are SINGULAR, second-person words in number.

Therefore, in this particular case, the word ἐντὸς or "entos" means "AMONG the GROUP." And, guess who was "among them?" The MESSIAH or "the ANOINTED of the LORD," Yeeshuwa`, same as were Sha'uwl ("Saul"), David, and Shlomoh ("Solomon"), the One anointed to be the King of the Jews and the King of Israel, was among them! And where the King is, there is also the Kingdom! That's why AT THAT TIME, the Kingdom didn't have to come with pomp and circumstance! HE WAS ALREADY THERE!

Oops! Sorry, but this is not correct! Look carefully at 1 Corinthians 15:20-28:

1 Corinthians 15:20-28 (KJV)

20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, [and] become the firstfruits (a singular word) of them that slept. 21 For since by man [came] death, by man [came] also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order:

(0) Christ the firstfruits;
(1) AFTERWARD THEY THAT ARE CHRIST'S AT HIS COMING. 
24 (2) Then [cometh] the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy [that] shall be destroyed [is] death. 27 For he (God the Father) hath put all things under his (the Son of God's) feet. {But when he saith "all things" are "put under [him," it is] manifest that "he" is excepted (is the exception to the all things), which did "put all things under him."| 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Now, here's where it takes a little bit of logic:  IF the Messiah (the Christ) is the LORD'S Anointed to be King of Israel (and that's what the word means), then ALL of those who were born to the lines of Israel are "those who belong to the Messiah!" Furthermore, WE who are Gentile believers are GRAFFED INTO the Messiah's "Olive Tree!" We are included WITH the Jews - the children of Yhuwdaah ("Judah") - because the Messiah Himself is a Jew! Through Him, we become a PART of God's Kingdom, over whom God the Father will reign through His Anointed One, Yeeshuwa`. It's VERY short-sighted, self-centered, egotistical, and audacious to think that we're all who will constitute His Kingdom! Just who do we think we are?! Doesn't one think that Yeeshuwa` HIMSELF will determine those who "belong to Him, as the LORD'S Messiah" ot "the LORD'S Anointed?"

Right, there's not "two kingdoms" in that way; however, one should not succumb to MORE nonsense! Whose Kingdom was it at the start?! It wasn't of the Gentiles (the nations); it was of the CHILDREN OF ISRAEL! They are LITERALLY the children and grandchildren (however many "greats" are added) of the MAN called Yisraa'eel ("Israel")! His name, based upon the Hebrew word "sar," means "he-[is]-a-prince of-God," just as a "Jew" is a "Yhuwdiy" or "one-from-[the-tribe-of]-Yhuwdaah" or "Judah."

ALL THE SAME, there ARE two Kingdoms, found within the parables of our Lord as described in Matthew 13:

 

Yes, one Kingdom. No, not "since the beginning of time." When "men began to call upon the name of the LORD," they were calling THEMSELVES with names constructed from the name or title of the LORD!

"The LORD" in all caps was used in the KJV to translate the Hebrew word "YHWH," which God used to convey His name to Moses. It was frequently followed by the word for "God," the Royal Plural word "'Elohiym." "Lord" with normal capitalization was often used to translate "'Adonaay" which means "my-exalted-Lord" or "my-exalted-foundation-layer," as in "he who lays the foundation of a city." So, in Genesis, when the translator of the KJV found "YHWH 'Elohiym," he would write "the LORD God."

This practice was altered when the two words translated "Lord" and "LORD" were used together. It would sound redundant to say "Lord LORD." So, the word "God" was used in all caps (or in capitalized miniscule letters) as "GOD." So, in the book of Ezekiel, for example, one will find "'Adonaay YHWH" translated as "Lord GOD."

In Genesis 4:26, men were beginning to tack on the name of God ("YAH") or the word "God" ("'El ") onto their names. Names like "Mehujael" and "Methusael" and "Mahalaleel."

Names that, for us, end in "-iah" or "-jah" have the name of God ("YAH") embedded within their meanings. These include "Elijah," "Zechariah," and "Zephaniah."

Names that end in "-el" have the Hebrew word for "God" ("'Elohiym" or "'El " singular for short) embedded within their meanings. These include "Daniel," "Joel," and "Ezekiel."

That's what was going on. They weren't "getting saved," as I've heard some teach.

To be "raptured" doesn't mean or imply that we're going to be "taken to Heaven." Since "heaven" means "sky," we go THROUGH the "heavens" - THROUGH the "skies" - to where the Messiah wants us to go WHEN HE GETS BACK! He shall send out His messengers ("aggeloi") to gather us to help Him with taking back His Land, the Land of Israel.

However, we're going to have SUCH A HUGE learning curve to overcome, that we read in the prophecies,

Isaiah 63:1-19 KJV

1 "Who [is] this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this [that is] glorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength?"

"I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save."

2 "Wherefore [art thou] red in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winefat?"

3 "I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people [there was] none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment. 4 For the day of vengeance [is] in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come. 5 And I looked, and [there was] none to help; and I wondered that [there was] none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me. 6 And I will tread down the people in mine anger, and make them drunk in my fury, and I will bring down their strength to the earth (the ground)."

7 I will mention the lovingkindnesses of the LORD, [and] the praises of the LORD, according to all that the LORD hath bestowed on us, and the great goodness toward the house of Israel, which he hath bestowed on them according to his mercies, and according to the multitude of his lovingkindnesses. 8 For he said,

"Surely they [are] my people, children [that] will not lie":

so he was their Saviour. 9 In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old.

10 But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, [and] he fought against them.

11 Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, [and] his people, [saying],

"Where [is] he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where [is] he that put his holy Spirit within him? 12 That led [them] by the right hand of Moses with his glorious arm, dividing the water before them, to make himself an everlasting name? 13 That led them through the deep, as an horse in the wilderness, [that] they should not stumble?"

14 As a beast goeth down into the valley, the Spirit of the LORD caused him to rest: so didst thou lead thy people, to make thyself a glorious name. 15 Look down from heaven, and behold from the habitation of thy holiness and of thy glory: where [is] thy zeal and thy strength, the sounding of thy bowels and of thy mercies toward me? are they restrained? 16 Doubtless thou [art] our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O LORD, [art] our father, our redeemer; thy name [is] from everlasting. 17 O LORD, why hast thou made us to err from thy ways, [and] hardened our heart from thy fear? Return for thy servants' sake, the tribes of thine inheritance. 18 The people of thy holiness have possessed [it] but a little while: our adversaries have trodden down thy sanctuary. 19 We are [thine]: thou never barest rule over them; they were not called by thy name.

HaHar Tsiyown (The Mountain of-Zion) is the mountain range upon which Jerusalem is built. THAT is where the Messiah shall be installed as Israel's King, not in some fictional "Heaven."

These are quotations from Psalm 2:7 and 2 Samuel 7:14 found in Hebrews 1:5. They are both prophecies about the coming Messiah.

THIS prophecy is SEVERELY misunderstood! It's found in Psalm 45, and there are multiple changes in persons to whom the writer is speaking. Here's the Psalm in its entirety:

Psalm 45:1-17 (KJV)

1 [[To the chief Musician upon Shoshannim, for the sons of Korah, Maschil, A Song of loves.]]

My heart is inditing a good matter: I speak of the things which I have made touching the king: my tongue [is] the pen of a ready writer.

[Speaking to the King:]

2 "Thou art fairer than the children of men: grace is poured into thy lips: therefore God hath blessed thee for ever. 3 Gird thy sword upon [thy] thigh, O [most] mighty, with thy glory and thy majesty. 4 And in thy majesty ride prosperously because of truth and meekness [and] righteousness; and thy right hand shall teach thee terrible things. 5 Thine arrows [are] sharp in the heart of the king's enemies; [whereby] the people fall under thee."

[Speaking to God:]

6 "THY THRONE, O GOD, [IS] FOR EVER AND EVER: THE SCEPTRE OF THY KINGDOM [IS] A RIGHT SCEPTRE."

[Speaking to the King ABOUT His God:]

7 "Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. 8 All thy garments [smell] of myrrh, and aloes, [and] cassia, out of the ivory palaces, whereby they have made thee glad. 9 Kings' daughters [were] among thy honourable women: upon thy right hand did stand the queen in gold of Ophir."

[Speaking to the Queen:]

10 "Hearken, O daughter, and consider, and incline thine ear; forget also thine own people, and thy father's house; 11 So shall the king greatly desire thy beauty: for he [is] thy Lord; and worship thou him."

[Description of the Queen:]

12 And the daughter of Tyre [shall be there] with a gift; [even] the rich among the people shall intreat thy favour. 13 The king's daughter [is] all glorious within: her clothing [is] of wrought gold. 14 She shall be brought unto the king in raiment of needlework: the virgins her companions that follow her shall be brought unto thee. 15 With gladness and rejoicing shall they be brought: they shall enter into the king's palace.

[God speaks to the King:]

16 "Instead of thy fathers shall be thy children, whom thou mayest make princes in all the earth. 17 I will make thy name to be remembered in all generations: therefore shall the people praise thee for ever and ever."

It's confusion to think that verses 6 and 7 are talking to the same Person. The author of Hebrews quoted a passage from this psalm that had NO verse numbers at the time. Certain sentences or phrases were more memorial than others; so, the writer quoted a familiar passage to lead into the following sentence. It was certainly more memorable to recognize that YHWH GOD HIMSELF is the REAL King of Israel; therefore, it's HIS throne and HIS Kingdom. David recognized this fact; the physical King is GOD'S Representative! And, Yeeshuwa` basically said the same thing: "I do always those things which please the Father." (John 8:29). "I and my Father are one" (much as a man and a woman are one in marriage, John 10:30). "He that hath seen me hath seen my Father also." (John 14:9). "My judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me." (John 5:30).

There is but one Kingdom, but it is for ALL those who belong to the Messiah! And, it IS for this world! THIS is where He will reign, first for 1,000 years in this age, and then forever in the ages to come!

Whoever the writer of the "recommended book" is, he doesn't know what he's talking about. The MESSIAH, "Christ" in Greek, is a JEWISH Messiah! He is One who is ANOINTED by God to be ISRAEL'S King!

There's no such thing as an "ENTITY" called the "church," particularly not the "Capital C Church," as Moody's Janet Parshall is known to say. The "church" is simply a gathering of people, a "called-out" assembly, even as the town assembly of Ephesus was in Acts 19. The word "church" actually comes from the ADDITIONAL Greek word "kuriokon" which means "of the Lord." Specifically, it was an "ekkeesia kurikon." an "assembly of-the-Lord." There's nothing special about a "gathering" or an "assembly." What made them special was that they were all believers that Yeeshuwa` was (and is) the Messiah of the LORD God! (1 John 5:1). But WITHIN the Messiah, "there is no difference between Jew and Gentile." (Romans 3:22). Outside of the Messiah, there's still a difference:

Romans 3:1-3 (KJV)

1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit [is there] of circumcision?

Many who are antisemitic "Christians in name only" ("Chrinos") would like to say, "None," at this point, but Paul continues...

2 MUCH EVERY WAY: chiefly, because that unto them were committed THE ORACLES (SPOKEN WORDS) OF GOD. 3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?

Sorry, but this was taken out of its full context and misunderstood. The passage is from the Resurrection Chapter, and just about everything in this chapter is about Resurrection.

1 Corinthians 15:20-28 (KJV)

20 But now is Christ RISEN from the dead, [and] become the firstfruits (singular) of them that slept. 21 For since by man [came] death, by man [came] also the RESURRECTION of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all BE MADE ALIVE. 23 But every man in his own order [i.e., three significant resurrections]:

(0) Christ the firstfruits (singular, happened in the First Century);
(1) afterward they that are Christ's AT HIS COMING. (Still yet to come.)
24 (2) Then [cometh] THE END, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For HE MUST REIGN, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy [that] shall be destroyed [is] death. 27 For "he (God) hath put all things under his (Christ's or the Messiah's) feet."

[But when he saith "all things are put under [him (the Christ or Messiah, the Son of God)," it is] manifest (obvious) that "he" (God the Father) is excepted, which did "put all things under him."}

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

There are two significant Resurrections that are yet to occur: The Resurrection at the Second Coming of our Lord, and The Resurrection "at the end" of the age, which is what John was talking about in Revelation 20:1-15:

Revelation 20:1-15 (KJV)

1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him A THOUSAND YEARS, 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till THE THOUSAND YEARS should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ A THOUSAND YEARS. 5 (But the rest of the dead lived not again until THE THOUSAND YEARS were finished.) This (pointing back to verse 4) [is] the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him A THOUSAND YEARS. 

7 And when THE THOUSAND YEARS are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom [is] as the sand of the sea. 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city (Jerusalem): and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And THE SEA GAVE UP THE DEAD WHICH WERE IN IT; AND DEATH AND HELL DELIVERED UP THE DEAD WHICH WERE IN THEM: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And DEATH and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

The "thousand years" are about the chaining of haSatan (Hebrew for "the Enemy"). It will start when haSatan is chained, and will be finished when he is released.

So, the progression is ...
1. The First Resurrection (which occurs during the Second Coming),
2. the 1000-year chaining of haSatan in the bottomless pit begins,
3. the first 1,000 years of His reign while haSatan is chained while He shall "REIGN, till he hath put all enemies under his feet,"
4. the release of haSatan from the bottomless pit at the end of the 1,000 years,
5. the Fire falls upon the army of haSatan.
6. the Second Resurrection (which occurs after the Fire falls and just before the Great White Throne Judgment),
7. the Great White Throne Judgment itself,
8. the Sentencing of those found guilty to the Lake of Fire and Sulfur (or the Lake of Burning Sulfur, which is molten and burns a deep blue color)
9. God remakes the earth into the New Earth, and the sky into the New Sky,
10. the New Jerusalem (with the "many rooms" or "mansions") descends to the New Earth and lands upon it.

I'll deal with the rest of this  later.

Unfortunately you get one thing wrong and you got it all wrong 

[Retrobyter]

9 minutes ago, Locust said:

Unfortunately you get one thing wrong and you got it all wrong 

Shabbat shalom, @Locust.

And, the "one thing" is?

Edited April 5 by Retrobyter
It's Shabbat, and I was too abrupt.

[Locust]

17 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

Shabbat shalom, @Locust.

And, the "one thing" is?

oh did i say there was only one thing wrong ?

[DeighAnn]

12 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Revelation 20:1-6 Isn't A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Don't Be Deceived

Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?

2.) Physical Earthly Throne?

3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time

2 Peter 3:8KJV

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV

1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Rev 20 IS the Millennial Kingdom, the ETERNAL Kingdom of God and the Lamb isn't found until Rev 22.


1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom  - 

He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David
Luke 1:32 

Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne Acts 2:30 

To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with Me in My throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne Revelation 3:21 

After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands Revelation 7:9 


And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel Matthew 19:28 


When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory  Matthew 25:31 


1And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee, 2And shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul; 3That then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee. 4If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee: 5And the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.  Deuteronomy 30

 

1Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

2The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,

3Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

4He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

5Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

6Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

7I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

8Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

9Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

10Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.

11Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.

12Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.  Psalms 2

 

 

1O sing unto the LORD a new song: sing unto the LORD, all the earth.

2Sing unto the LORD, bless his name; shew forth his salvation from day to day.

3Declare his glory among the heathen, his wonders among all people.

4For the LORD is great, and greatly to be praised: he is to be feared above all gods.

5For all the gods of the nations are idols: but the LORD made the heavens.

6Honour and majesty are before him: strength and beauty are in his sanctuary.

7Give unto the LORD, O ye kindreds of the people, give unto the LORD glory and strength.

8Give unto the LORD the glory due unto his name: bring an offering, and come into his courts.

9O worship the LORD in the beauty of holiness: fear before him, all the earth.

10Say among the heathen that the LORD reigneth: the world also shall be established that it shall not be moved: he shall judge the people righteously.

11Let the heavens rejoice, and let the earth be glad; let the sea roar, and the fulness thereof.

12Let the field be joyful, and all that is therein: then shall all the trees of the wood rejoice

13Before the LORD: for he cometh, for he cometh to judge the earth: he shall judge the world with righteousness, and the people with his truth.

 935 bo: To come, to go, to enter




 

1{A Psalm of David.} The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

2The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.

3Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.

4The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

5The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.

6He shall judge among the heathen, he shall fill the places with the dead bodies; he shall wound the heads over many countries.

7He shall drink of the brook in the way: therefore shall he lift up the head.


 

1Oh that thou wouldest rend the heavens, that thou wouldest come down, that the mountains might flow down at thy presence,

2As when the melting fire burneth, the fire causeth the waters to boil, to make thy name known to thine adversaries, that the nations may tremble at thy presence!

3When thou didst terrible things which we looked not for, thou camest down, the mountains flowed down at thy presence.

4For since the beginning of the world men have not heard, nor perceived by the ear, neither hath the eye seen, O God, beside thee, what he hath prepared for him that waiteth for him.

5Thou meetest him that rejoiceth and worketh righteousness, those that remember thee in thy ways: behold, thou art wroth; for we have sinned: in those is continuance, and we shall be saved.

6But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

7And there is none that calleth upon thy name, that stirreth up himself to take hold of thee: for thou hast hid thy face from us, and hast consumed us, because of our iniquities.

8But now, O LORD, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.

9Be not wroth very sore, O LORD, neither remember iniquity for ever: behold, see, we beseech thee, we are all thy people.

10Thy holy cities are a wilderness, Zion is a wilderness, Jerusalem a desolation.

11Our holy and our beautiful house, where our fathers praised thee, is burned up with fire: and all our pleasant things are laid waste.

12Wilt thou refrain thyself for these things, O LORD? wilt thou hold thy peace, and afflict us very sore?

I would need you to DISCREDIT all these, showing where they DON'T speak to a PHYSICAL KINGDOM ON EARTH and if/when you accomplish that, happily move on to more   



 Physical Mortal Humans?

NOT a chance.  Physical Mortal Spiritual Beings/Angels still FACING the 2nd DEATH (aka 'the dead') at the GWTJ, ABSOLUTELY 

 

11And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

 

This leaves no one in a flesh and blood 'human' body....but does leave spiritually dead beings facing the 2nd death able to RISE in a spiritual body

17And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; 18That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

19And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

20And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.


Along with the flesh that melts off the bodies at His return

add to those the fact that 'flesh and blood' cannot inherit 

and remember that those who come to faith and belief while they are STILL LIVING NEVER DIE, being made ALIVE IN CHRIST


and then, if at all possible, read what is written and take what is written AS WHAT GOD MEANS... .



50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.


Not the 'living', not the 'alive in Christ' but THE DEAD or THE DEAD in Christ.  Either way THEY ARE THE DEAD.

John 11:25Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? 

Those words SPOKEN BY JESUS makes it IMPOSSIBLE for anyone under the NEW COVENANT to EVER BE CALLED and/or referred to as one of THE DEAD.  Those who LIVETH AND BELIEVETH FOLLOW HIM...THEY DON'T WAIT FOR HIS 2ND ADVENT, THEY RETURN WITH HIM/HE BRINGS THEM WITH HIM WHEN HE RETURNS...


36Simon Peter said unto him, Lord, whither goest thou? Jesus answered him, Whither I go, thou canst not follow me now; but thou shalt follow me afterwards. 37Peter said unto him, Lord, why cannot I follow thee now? I will lay down my life for thy sake. 38Jesus answered him, Wilt thou lay down thy life for my sake? Verily, verily, I say unto thee, The cock shall not crow, till thou hast denied me thrice.

1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. 4And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

The Way, the Truth, and the Life

5Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? 6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

 

 

[Retrobyter]

Shabbat shalom, @Luther.

I alluded to the parables in Matthew 13, but I didn't give you the parables.

With the exception of the first parable, all the parables of Matthew 13 are NOT about this time period at all. They are all about the FUTURE Kingdom, which will be installed when the Messiah Yeeshuwa` returns, and saves His people, as His name means.

Right now, the head of the nation Israel is called the "Prime Minister."

If you've ever read the books or watched the movies, the Lord of the Rings, in the third book/movie entitled, "The Return of the King," by J.R.R. Tolkien, it shows how a "Steward" or a "Prime Minister" (a "Chief Servant") is supposed to act when the King returns to power. With humility and much pomp, He is to hand over the rulership that he has been entrusted to the rightful heir to the throne.

Denethor was a good example of the scribes and Pharisees who neglected to turn the rulership of the Kingdom to the rightful Heir to David's Throne. Instead, the KILLED the Heir in an attempt to keep the rulership permanently. Just as it failed MISERABLY in the movie, with Denethor leaping to his death being set on fire, the leadership of the house of Israel will also fail miserably when the Messiah of GOD returns WITH His Kingdom!

So, when the King returns and cleanses His Land from enemies and takes up His throne, the "Prime Minister," whoever he will be at the time and if he's smart, will GLADLY turn over the rulership of Israel to its rightful Heir! And, the Son of David will be KING of Israel.

Before I get into the parables of Matthew 13, one should look at the prophecy at the end of the Olivet Discourse in Matthew 25, and this is NOT a parable:

(Just as a reminder, I use GREEN for narration; I use RED for the words of a messiah, particularly the ULTIMATE Messiah, Yeeshuwa`; I use ROYAL PURPLE for rhe words of YHWH God, the Father; and I use BLUE for the words of anyone else. I use "Automatic" BLACK for my own words.)

Matthew 25:31-46 (KJV)

31 "WHEN THE SON OF MAN SHALL COME IN HIS GLORY (BRIGHTNESS), and all the holy angels with him, THEN SHALL HE SIT UPON THE THRONE OF HIS GLORY (BRIGHTNESS): 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats:

These are the ones who were involved in the war for His Land. THIS IS A WAR TRIBUNAL that He holds after He comes to power!

33 "And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand,

"'Come, ye blessed of my Father, INHERIT THE KINGDOM prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.'

37 "Then shall the righteous answer him, saying,

"'Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed [thee]? or thirsty, and gave [thee] drink? 38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took [thee] in? or naked, and clothed [thee]? 39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?'

40 "And the King shall answer and say unto them,

"'Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto me.'

41 "Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand,

"'Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not!'

44 "Then shall they also answer him, saying,

"'Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?'

45 "Then shall he answer them, saying,

"'Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did [it] not to one of the least of these, ye did [it] not to me!'

46 "And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."

Also, one should take note of Luke 19. This IS a parable, but we easily see what and whom this represents:

Luke 19:11-27 (KJV)

11 And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear. 12 He said therefore,

"A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return. 13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them,

"'Occupy (Trade with this) till I come.'

14 "But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying,

"'We will not have THIS [man] to reign over us!'

15 "And it came to pass, that WHEN HE WAS RETURNED, HAVING RECEIVED THE KINGDOM, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading. 16 Then came the first, saying,

"'Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds.'

17 "And he said unto him,

"'Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.'

18 "And the second came, saying,

"'Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds.'

19 "And he said likewise to him,

"'Be thou also over five cities.'

20 "And another came, saying,

"'Lord, behold, [here is] thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin: 21 For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow.'

22 "And he saith unto him,

"'Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, [thou] wicked servant! Thou KNEWEST that I was "an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow": 23 Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury?'

24 "And he said unto them that stood by,

"'Take from him the pound, and give [it] to him that hath ten pounds.'

25 "(And they said unto him,

"'Lord, he HATH ten pounds!')

26 "'For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him. 27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, BRING HITHER, AND SLAY [THEM] BEFORE ME!' "

Did you know that's the REAL "Jesus" whom you serve?

Now, let's start looking at the parables about the Kingdom:

Matthew 13:1-17 (KJV)

1 The same day went Jesus out of the house, and sat by the sea side. 2 And great multitudes were gathered together unto him, so that he went into a ship, and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore. 3 And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying,

"Behold, a sower went forth to sow; 4 And when he sowed, ...

some [seeds] fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:

5 "Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth: 6 And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.

7 "And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:

8 "But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.

9 "Who hath ears to hear, let him hear."

10 And the disciples came, and said unto him,

"Why speakest thou unto them in parables?"

11 He answered and said unto them,

"Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. 12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. 13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because 'they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.' 14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, 'By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: 15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and [their] ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with [their] eyes, and hear with [their] ears, and should understand with [their] heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.' (Isaiah 6:9-10). 16 But blessed [are] your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. 17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous [men] have desired to see [those things] which ye see, and have not seen [them]; and to hear [those things] which ye hear, and have not heard [them]."

So, this sets the stage and gives the first parable - the parable of the Sower. He clarified the parable for His disciples in ...

Matthew 13:18-23 (KJV)

18 "Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower. 19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth [it] not, then cometh the wicked [one], and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

20 "But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon (immediately) with joy receiveth it; 21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by (instantly) he is offended (made to sin).

22 "He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.

23 "But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth [it]; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty."

Only this parable is about this present time. When one hears the message about the Kingdom, he or she will fall into one of four camps: He or she will either not understand it at all, and haSatan snatches the message from his or her thoughts.

When one hears the message about the Kingdom and immediately receives it with joy, but he or she has no depth of understanding in God's Word, then they are handicapped to get anywhere with the message, and frustrated, they won't last long.

When one hears the message about the Kingdom and loves it, but has "too many irons in the fire," and is distracted by all the things vying for his or her attention, the word about the Kingdom "takes a back seat" to all else going on in his or her life.

When one hears the message about the Kingdom and understands it, taking it in stride and considers the cost, he or she will succeed and will bear much fruit, leading to more people who hear the message about the Kingdom.

That's the first parable.

I'm going to take the time in this post to add the second parable, "The parable of the wheat and tares (look-alike weeds):

Matthew 13:24-30 (KJV)

24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying,

"The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed GOOD SEED in his field: 25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed TARES among the wheat, and went his way. 26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him,

"'Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?'

28 "He said unto them,

"'An enemy hath done this.'

"The servants said unto him,

"'Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?'

29 "But he said,

"'Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, "Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn."' "

This one is EXCELLENT, because our Lord goes into detail:

Matthew 13:36-43 (KJV)

36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying,

"Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field."

37 He answered and said unto them,

(First, He defines the elements of the parable:)

"He that soweth the good seed is (=)the Son of man;
38 "The field is (=) the world (Greek: kosmos = "the inhabited earth");
"the good seed are (=) the children of the kingdom;
"but the tares are (=) the children of the wicked [one];
39 "The enemy that sowed them is (=) the devil;
"the harvest is (=) the end of the world (Greek: sunteleia tou aioonos = "the end of-the age");
"and the reapers are (=) the angels."

We can now go back to the parable as told and plug the definitions into the parable;

24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying,

"The kingdom of heaven is likened unto the Son of man which sowed the children of the kingdom in his inhabited earth: 25 But while men slept, the devil came and sowed the children of the wicked [one] among the children of the kingdom, and went his way. 26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the the children of the wicked [one] also. 27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him,

"'Sir, didst not thou sow the children of the kingdom in thy inhabited earth? from whence then hath it the children of the wicked [one]?'

28 "He said unto them,

"'the devil hath done this.'

"The servants said unto him,

"'Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?'

29 "But he said,

"'Nay; lest while ye gather up the the children of the wicked [one], ye root up also the children of the kingdom with them. 30 Let both grow together until the end of-the age: and in the time of the end of-the age I will say to the angels, "Gather ye together first the children of the wicked [one], and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the children of the kingdom into my barn."' "

Then, add His further clarification:

40 "As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. 41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and THEY SHALL GATHER OUT OF HIS KINGDOM all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in THE KINGDOM OF THEIR FATHER. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear."

Notice that He DID mention two Kingdoms - or rather, stages of the ONE Kingdom: "His Kingdom," that is, the "Kingdom of the Son of man" and "the Kingdom of their Father," who is YHWH God!

The "thousand years" (Latin: mille-annium) that haSatan is locked up, which are the FIRST one thousand years of the Messiah's Kingdom - when "he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet," ends with the Father's Kingdom - "when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power," at the end of the 1,000 years. The "furnace of fire" IS "the Lake of Fire and Sulfur!" Then, "shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all."

However, one shouldn't forget Gabriel's words to Mary:

Luke 1:30-33 (KJV)

30 And the angel said unto her,

"Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And HE SHALL REIGN OVER THE HOUSE OF JACOB FOR EVER; AND OF HIS KINGDOM THERE SHALL BE NO END."

Therefore, these 1,000 years - the Millennium - are just the FIRST 1,000 years of His Kingdom! So, the Empire over the world will be eternally ruled by God the Father, but the house of Jacob ("Israel") will be ruled by the Messiah (the Anointed One) of the LORD, Yeeshuwa` or "Jesus," the Son of David.

[Michael37]

4 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Fair warning: This post is going to be Scripture intensive, posting several passages of Scripture together at one time, because they WORK together.

Some of you must be going for the longest post ever on Worthy. 

[enoob57]

@Michael37 I like how George handles it... by breaking it down in smaller progressive components toward a complete thought... I think if people realized length equals fewer readers...

[Retrobyter]

6 hours ago, Michael37 said:

Some of you must be going for the longest post ever on Worthy. 

Shabbat shalom, @Michael37.

Some of us understand the complex network of the Scriptures and enjoy reading them. Some things just can't be understood until one "sees the forest for the trees."

We're all pretty good on seeing the various parts of theology and eschatology on the miniscule scale, but not too many have the patience to observe the larger scale.

Have you ever taken the time to see how all these passage of Scripture work together to form a complex network of information? And, through it all is God's plan for the Messiah to come and reign upon this earth ... and the next!

[Retrobyter]

3 hours ago, enoob57 said:

@Michael37 I like how George handles it... by breaking it down in smaller progressive components toward a complete thought... I think if people realized length equals fewer readers...

Shabbat shalom, @enoob57.

It sifts out the ones who aren't serious about learning.