Christ's kingdom will never be physically on this earth

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On 4/1/2025 at 5:08 PM, DeighAnn said:

10And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain, 11And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

12And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

13And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. 15Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. 16And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

 

On 4/1/2025 at 5:08 PM, DeighAnn said:

And what will that 'battle' look like?  We are told in Rev 19

Rev 19:11-21, is not Armageddon. It is showing the victory over the Roman Empire by the gospel sword. It is when Rome is divided into a symbolic 10 toes/horns.

Rev 16, 6th vial/bowl shows Armageddon by name. The Rev 16 battle is between the kings from across the Euphrates River. The beast/dragon/false prophet deceive those kings into attacking restored Jerusalem.

The Rev 19, battle is Jesus attacking the Roman beast with the gospel. Christianity conquers Rome when the Roman Empire becomes "Christian".

 

On 4/1/2025 at 5:08 PM, DeighAnn said:

11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Defeat of the Beast and False Prophet

17And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; 18That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

19And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

20And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

 

On 4/1/2025 at 5:08 PM, DeighAnn said:

21And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

Who is the remnant of the Roman beast? The Vatican and the Bishop of Rome. The Vatican government is the image of the Roman Empire and the Bishop of Rome is the image Caesar.

It can't be showing the very end of the beast nation because there is a remnant.

The remnant is the 10 toes/horns.

 

On 4/1/2025 at 5:08 PM, DeighAnn said:

We CAN NOT be in the war of Armaggedon because we have not lived in a world in which EVERYONE is being deceived by ANYONE performing MIRACLES and all the rest that come before that. 

If we were living in the time when the Rev was written, we would see that Rome had destroyed Jerusalem and was forcing Jews to worship Caesar as God.

I suppose that one deception would be that it is better to worship Caesar than die.

Can Satan do things that men would consider a miracle? For example, would the 70 AD destruction of Jerusalem and the temple be considered a miracle of Satan? It might be if Caesar said that he was more powerful than the God of Israel and the 70 AD destruction proved it. After all, who could destroy the temple if God was protecting it?

Try thinking of these things as if you were living in 96 AD.

 

On 4/1/2025 at 5:08 PM, DeighAnn said:

None of the other BOWLS have been dumped out.  There is an ORDER to the things GOD gives us, and we are not free to change them.  

6 Bowls have been poured out, the 7th will come after this restored Israel loses to the kings of the East.

Some things are literal, some are symbolic. If they are all taken as literal, then the meaning becomes distorted.

 

On 4/1/2025 at 5:08 PM, DeighAnn said:

The Seventh Bowl of Wrath

17And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

 

On 4/1/2025 at 5:08 PM, DeighAnn said:

18And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

Please compare this Rev 16:18 verse to the Rev 11, 7th trumpet.

 

On 4/1/2025 at 5:08 PM, DeighAnn said:

19And the great city was divided into three parts,

Jerusalem being divided into 3 parts shows that Jerusalem is the center of radiating power.

That is, The destruction of the 7th vial is centered on Jerusalem and all the effects of the 7th vial radiate from there throughout the planet.

 

On 4/1/2025 at 5:08 PM, DeighAnn said:

and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

 

On 4/1/2025 at 5:08 PM, DeighAnn said:

20And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

Think about this, no more mountains or islands.

Whether it is literal or symbolic, is shows the power of the 7th vial.

Seeing that this destructive power radiates from Jerusalem shows that Jerusalem is completely vaporized.

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Consider that if Israel would win the battle, then there would be no need for the 7th bowl on Jerusalem.

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On 4/3/2025 at 1:55 AM, Locust said:

no Armageddon's a war that wont last for days months or years . more like hours

Where does the Bible say that the battle/war of Armageddon only lasts hours?

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On 4/7/2025 at 1:45 PM, Luther said:

I believe that taking the position of a literal millennial reign is not only a great deception, but it's consequences will lead many away from the kingdom of God because it won't be Jesus Christ that reigns from Jerusalem but rather  Satan of 2 Thessalonians 2.

Some millennial views are supported by charts. Very intricate charts. 

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1 hour ago, abcdef said:

Where does the Bible say that the battle/war of Armageddon only lasts hours?

where does it say months or years ? the point is it will be a serious one-sided battle/war  .we know the winner before it even starts.

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On 4/6/2025 at 9:45 PM, Luther said:

won't be Jesus Christ that reigns from Jerusalem but rather  Satan of 2 Thessalonians 2.

Revelation 20:2 He seized the dragon, the original serpent, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for 1,000 years.''

the 1000 years is the millennial reign 

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3 hours ago, Locust said:

Revelation 20:2 He seized the dragon, the original serpent, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for 1,000 years.''

the 1000 years is the millennial reign 

"False"

Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?

"Deceive The Nations" To Battle

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming

If A Tribulation Saint Were To Die One Day Before The Second Coming, He Enters Into The Non-Literal 1,000 Year Reign

Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently.

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV

1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV

12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

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3 hours ago, Locust said:

Revelation 20:2 He seized the dragon, the original serpent, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for 1,000 years.''

the 1000 years is the millennial reign 

Many just don't want to let go of their little pet 1,000 year kingdom on this earth that doesn't exist in scripture

Paul clearly taught that when Jesus returns the resurrection of the dead takes place, (Then Cometh The End) its that simple (The End) not a 1,000 year kingdom on this earth as many "Falsely" claim

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The scripture above is in perfect agreement with Jesus being revealed in fire and brimstone as seen below (Then Cometh The End) as all the unsaved wicked are destroyed at the Lord's return

(Destroyed Them All)

Luke 17:29-30KJV

29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

The resurrection of "All" is seen below and the wicked are judged to eternal damnation, this is when the "Final Judgement" takes place (The End)

John 5:28-29KJV

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

 Jesus clearly taught that the resurrection of "All" takes place on "The Last Day" this is in perfect agreement with the scripture above

John 6:39-40KJV

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

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On 4/6/2025 at 12:58 PM, Luther said:

You said: " From all that, there is plenty of evidence of a lasting, earthly kingdom over which Jesus and His people rule."

Are you telling me that " all that" is literally going to take place on the earth? That all the literal  families of the earth that don't make a literal  yearly trip to Jerusalem to literally celebrate the feast of Tabernacles, that wherever they go it will never literally rain on them? Or is it when they just are at their home? Do you really believe this ( or any other OT, Revelation story, for that matter) is really going to take place? Literally?

That's what the prophecy says. 

My point wasn't about the authenticity of the prophecy or the elements, my point was to show there is a prophesied kingdom on earth, the Lord ruling, on earth.

You seem to use scripture as evidence of your position. I quoted from Zech 14. Why do you dismiss it? 

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On 4/6/2025 at 10:58 AM, Luther said:

You said: " Fact is there will be an earthly kingdom set up in which Christ rules for 1000 years with a select group of His close friends. "

No. This is a false teaching designed to lead a great number of Christians into supporting the political/ religious end time goals of another group.

So this...

"And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years."

...establishes the fact of the 1000 year reign of Christ with His elect.

This...

"When the thousand years are complete, Satan will be released from his prison, 8and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to assemble them for battle."

...immediately follows the 1000 year and the setting is earth. Says right there, " the nations in the four corners of the earth".

One has to ask themselves, "What is  'the camp of the saints and the beloved city' "? And Where is it?

I see clues in Rev 21.

 24By its light the nations will walk, and into it the kings of the earth will bring their glory. 25Its gates will never be shut at the end of the day, because there will be no night there.

26And into the city will be brought the glory and honor of the nations. 27But nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who practices an abomination or a lie, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.

The glory and honor of the kings and nations of the earth will be brought into this city. That's clearly on earth. Says so right here, " into it the kings of the earth will bring their glory."

A city described as, 

“Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man, and He will dwell with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them as their God.

And that city came down from heaven to earth, "the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.

Now is this the city that is the beloved city of Rev 20, the camp of the saints, the same city besieged by Satan? From Rev 21 there was certainly great care in the adornment of the city, it's called a bride. Seems this city is loved deeply. 

I assume this is the same beloved city from Rev 20, the seat of the power of the Lord in Zech 14. 

So it's not a deception to hear the prophecy tell us of a great city on earth, from which the Lord and His friends rule for 1000 years. 

You are free to dispute, allegorize or dismiss according to your will. But to say it's a deception implies there is sketchy evidence of a 1000 year rule on earth, or the evidence that exists is twisted and manipulated akin to the pretrib rapture falsehood.

That is not the case in light of direct statements answering the critical questions: Who, What, Where, When and Why. 

 

 

On 4/6/2025 at 10:58 AM, Luther said:

I believe everyone would agree that we should all stand boldly for the truth in God's Word. And sometimes, in light of the world we live in, isn't always going to fit the narrative we've been taught. 

Well, my friend, the city as described in Rev 20 and 21 isn't the result of mankind's schemes. Perhaps you're right and there is a dark plan to raise up a city from which a political group rules, and maybe that's a bad thing, and maybe scripture has been misused to promote such a city and rally groups to the cause; that does not cancel the prophecies of Zech 14 and Rev 20-21.

A city mankind could raise up by force of will for evil purpose, even with the supernatural help and influence of Satan, would be a vile, garish monstrosity as compared to the beloved city.

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On 4/6/2025 at 10:31 AM, Luther said:

You said: "Is this an argument that exists out there? Never heard this before right now."

I say two kingdoms in the context of God's salvation plan. While it's understood that all people from all nations need to repent as individuals before God and believe in the Lord Jesus, there is like this special exception for the " nation" of people called " jews".

That exception is manufactured by religious zealots. And there isn't a nation of Jews, Jews are members of a religion Jesus categorized as vipers and hypocrites. While I agree it's abhorrent, it's meant to exist. Is it wrong? Sure. No need to fear them, the plan will advance as required, in the timing and will of the Lord Jesus.

On 4/6/2025 at 10:31 AM, Luther said:

Through years of propaganda and indoctrination many people believe that there will be an additional period of time or " second chance"  AFTER Christ returns specifically for the jewish people as a WHOLE NATION to see the errors of their ways and finally turn to Christ. 

Okay, but that's been misconstrued by the political/religious zealots. We can see the truth here:

And in all the land,

declares the LORD,

two-thirds will be cut off and perish,

but a third will be left in it.

9This third I will bring through the fire;

I will refine them like silver

and test them like gold.

They will call on My name,

and I will answer them.

I will say, ‘They are My people,’

and they will say, ‘The LORD is our God.’”

Only after the refining process do the 1/3 call on the Lord, and this is before the Lord returns.

On 4/6/2025 at 10:31 AM, Luther said:

So I say " kingdom" because they are treated completely different than all the other people in the world that need salvation, as if they are their own kingdom that God will save even after the day of salvation has ended. 

Who cares? They think a thing, so what? I have seen many sincerely convinced they are correct and it turns out they are just as sincerely wrong. It's not like a group can just think and do and thwart the Lord's plan of salvation. 

Do the Zionists want to take over the world and enslave the goyim? Sure! Will they succeed? Probably. Can this defeat the Lord and His plan and His power and might? 

Absolutely, unequivocally...NO!

On 4/6/2025 at 10:31 AM, Luther said:

You do know the verse, right?

2 Corinthians 6:2 KJV

(For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)

"NOW" is the day, not AFTER judgment day. We have had "all the time in this world" to get right with God, " jews" included. There is no respect of persons with God. The New Covenant applies to all of us. 

I agree.