Christ's kingdom will never be physically on this earth

[Retrobyter]

1 hour ago, truth7t7 said:

Ezekiel Below Is (The Eternal Kingdom) Same River And Tree Of life, Same Fruit On The Tree, Same Leaves Of The Tree For Healing/Medicine, Same Gates Of New Jerusalem With The Names Of The 12 Tribes Of Israel

(The Eternal Kingdom)

Ezekiel 47:12KJV

12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.

(The Eternal Kingdom)

Revelation 22:1-2KJV

1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

(The Eternal Kingdom)

Eternal "New Jerusalem"

Ezekiel 48:31KJV

31 And the gates of the city shall be after the names of the tribes of Israel: three gates northward; one gate of Reuben, one gate of Judah, one gate of Levi.

Revelation 21:12KJV

12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

Shalom, @truth7t7.

Sorry, but SIMILARITY doesn't mean EQUALITY! That's one of the first things one would learn in geometry. Two triangles, for instance, may have all the same angles, but different lengths of sides within the two triangles. One looks like a larger (or smaller) version of the other. These two triangles are not "equal" but they are "similar."

The measurements are all wrong! The Temple that Yeeshuwa` will build after He returns (found in Ezekiel) will be a SCALE MODEL of the New Jerusalem to come (found in Revelation).

There's yet a THOUSAND YEARS between Christ's Second Coming and the Eternal City coming down from God out of the sky. Christ - or the Messiah of God - God's Anointed One to reign, first over Jerusalem and Israel, and eventually over the whole earth, must first subdue all of His enemies. (1 Cor. 15:20-28).

While people (especially Christians) may own Him as their King now, He is NOT YET REIGNING! He doesn't begin His reign until He has returned! (Matthew 25:31; Luke 19:11-15).

That said, I'm GLAD that you're seeing the similarities! However, one should also note the DIFFERENCES, as well.

[Anne2]

4 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

you DO understand that David, too, will be resurrected, right?

Yes

[truth7t7]

6 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

There's yet a THOUSAND YEARS between Christ's Second Coming and the Eternal City coming down from God out of the sky. Christ - or the Messiah of God - God's Anointed One to reign, first over Jerusalem and Israel, and eventually over the whole earth, must first subdue all of His enemies. (1 Cor. 15:20-28).

"Wrong" when Jesus returns it will be (Then Cometh The End)

Many just don't want to let go of their little pet 1,000 year kingdom on this earth that doesn't exist in scripture

Paul clearly taught that when Jesus returns the resurrection of the dead takes place, (Then Cometh The End) its that simple (The End) not a 1,000 year kingdom on this earth as many "Falsely" claim

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The scripture above is in perfect agreement with Jesus being revealed in fire and brimstone as seen below (Then Cometh The End) as all the unsaved wicked are destroyed at the Lord's return

(Destroyed Them All)

Luke 17:29-30KJV

29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

The resurrection of "All" is seen below and the wicked are judged to eternal damnation, this is when the "Final Judgement" takes place (The End)

John 5:28-29KJV

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

 Jesus clearly taught that the resurrection of "All" takes place on "The Last Day" this is in perfect agreement with the scripture above

John 6:39-40KJV

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

[Locust]

2 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

"Wrong" when Jesus returns it will be (Then Cometh The End)

the end ? the end of what ?? its not the end of the earth. the earth will go on for ever. now if u's is referring to the end of wickedness, yes the bible does say thats going to happen

[Locust]

13 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

Many just don't want to let go of their little pet 1,000 year kingdom on this earth that doesn't exist in scripture

how many  scriptures do you need to show the 1000 years of kingdom rule is a thing?

[DeighAnn]

On 4/13/2025 at 7:58 PM, abcdef said:

Israel as a genetic nation (group) continued under Roman rule just as during the rule of Babylon both believing and unbelieving. Now that Jerusalem is restored, the children of Israel/Jews are in control over the land mass that is called Israel.

Again, we don't agree on many things maybe beginning with the Herod(s), who and what they were as to who was ruling in Jerusalem and the cities of Judah.  

 

On 4/13/2025 at 7:58 PM, abcdef said:

In the year 96 AD ish, what events were "At hand"? What events in the Revelation were about to happen after 96 AD? Which events did happen then?

It means that some of the events in the Revelation were happening at the time of John or just after his time. 

The churches were happening...

So BY NAME when and by whom did ALL these things take place after 96?
 

3And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

4And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

False Christs

5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. 6And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.



which NATIONS ROSE AGAINST WHICH NATIONS?  

7For nation shall rise against nation,


which KINGDOMS rose against which KINGDOMS?


and kingdom against kingdom:


where DID the FAMINES take place?


and there shall be famines,


WHERE and what were the pestilences??


and pestilences,


WHERE were these earthquakes in divers places?   AND HOW DID THEY KNOW BACK THEN they were happening???

and earthquakes, in divers places.



8All these are the beginning of sorrows.

Since THOSE WERE THE BEGINNING of THE SORROWS, and all that HAD TO HAPPEN, then how LONG after that did 'the beast' rise up?  What year?  It CANT have been ROME because during that time AS WE KNOW FROM THE 'GREAT IMAGE' there didn't exist other nations and kingdoms. 

So for the beginning of sorrows to EVEN OCCUR we have to get to a point IN TIME in which there ARE MANY NATIONS AND KINGDOMS on the earth.  


THEN the GOSPEL has to be preached IN ALL OF THEM.  

It is ONLY AT THAT POINT that the PARTS you say have already taken place CAN take place.  

Do you see the problem?  You think you can just SKIP over all the facts because you CLAIM it is all just 'figures of speech' but don't seem to realize that figures of speech are only employed to help make the truth more true to understanding, not to negate what is actually written.  

AGAIN, we don't agree.  AND there ALWAYS REMAINS the problem with the

GIANTS NOT BEING on the earth.  You CAN'T GET AROUND THAT FACT.  No matter what you try to say IF the events of Revelation happened 2000 years ago, there would be GIANTS among us today. 
 

On 4/13/2025 at 7:58 PM, abcdef said:

So if "Every eye shall see Him", it means that everybody will die, which is exactly what is going to happen when Jesus comes for the gospel kingdom. Living Christians in the kingdom will be changed and raptured, but all unbelievers who are alive will die within the hour, Rev 11:13, and then resurrected to judgment, within the hour.

It means in HEAVEN, on the earth and under the earth aka the angels, the living dead and the buried dead...

but that's ok because ALSO like you said, the dead rise at Christs return and the LORDS DAY begins...Christ returning AFTER the little season of the workings of Satan, the 7 years SHORTENED to an hour.  The hour of tribulation...

 

On 4/13/2025 at 7:58 PM, abcdef said:

Every eye shall see Him and die, except those who are changed and raptured.

As told in many places....the supper great of God...

so it's no wonder "the DEAD" rise....    
  

[DeighAnn]

On 4/13/2025 at 8:33 PM, abcdef said:

2 Thess 2:1-12.

 

The only ones who this can be is Caesar, Rome, and the Bishop of Rome/Vatican.

The beast is Rome, Dan 2, Dan 7. Titus destroyed Jerusalem.

This passage was written just a few years before 70 AD.

Why would Paul be warning them about something 2000 years away as if it were imminent?

Jesus does destroy the Roman beast at His coming for the gospel kingdom. The Roman beast is still here, continual from 63 BC, as the statue of Dan 2, proves.

NO, the statue of Dan 2 PROVES YOU ARE MISSING A KINGDOM and if not then

ROME would still be REIGNING OVER JERUSALEM...but it hasn't since AD636...

the FIFTH one has and still does and will until Satan comes and the deadly wound is healed...and the image is set up

The book of Revelation comes AFTER the temple was destroyed.  So, no need to bring up 'Titus' EXCEPT in answer to the FIRST QUESTION they asked...



Christs return as KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORD destroys SATAN, who is the devil the dragon the false prophet the beast the serpent the accuser the abomination of desolation the man of sin the son of perdition the morning star the antichrist the rider on the first white horse given a crown with a fake bow to go out conquering and to conquer etc...

From the carnal point of view maybe, I don't know, but I don't read my Bible from that point of view but HERE is what I take not of when it comes to the image....

Babylon 
Medo-Persia
Greece
Rome
???????


Verse 32, 33
GOLD
SILVER
BRASS
IRON
IRON AND CLAY

Verse 35
the iron
the clay
the brass
the silver
the gold
 

 40  And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.


41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.


42And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.

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43And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

44And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Where is that kingdom set up?   Jerusalem...  What do all these kingdoms have in common?  

45Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands,

and that it brake in pieces
the iron,
the brass,
the clay,
the silver,
and the gold;
the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.
 

 

You seem to ONLY acknowledge 4, even though 5 are clearly shown over and over again...



Again,
44And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever. 45Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.


 

 

[DeighAnn]

18 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

No and NO! David is Yeeshuwa`s GREAT grandfather! And, you DO understand that David, too, will be resurrected, right?

Knowing you understand what you wrote but for those who don't...

17So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.

[truth7t7]

15 hours ago, Locust said:

the end ? the end of what ?? its not the end of the earth. the earth will go on for ever. 

Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV

1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV

13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV

29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV

7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV

2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV

6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV

3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV

5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV

15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV

12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV

5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.

6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Edited April 17 by truth7t7

[truth7t7]

15 hours ago, Locust said:

how many  scriptures do you need to show the 1000 years of kingdom rule is a thing?

Revelation 20:1-6 Isn't A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Don't Be Deceived

Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?

2.) Physical Earthly Throne?

3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time

2 Peter 3:8KJV

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV

1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.