Christ's kingdom will never be physically on this earth

[Alive]

2 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Got It!

Jesus Is The Lord

Thank you.

[lrs68]

8 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Will you now deny (He Shall Be Tormented With Fire And Brimstone) and apply the "False" Ellen G. White 7th Day Adventist teaching of it's only their smoke that's tormented, because their Annihilated and Don't exist, Smiles!

Revelation 14:9-11KJV

9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

 

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

 

11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

 

 

Are you claiming these verses (^) and conditions to these verses are not physical but merely emotional?

[truth7t7]

15 hours ago, lrs68 said:

 

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

 

11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

 

 

Are you claiming these verses (^) and conditions to these verses are not physical but merely emotional?

Revelation 14:9-11 are both physical and spiritual

The mark of the beast will be literally, physical, upon this earth

The lake of fire and eternal torment of the Wicked is in the Lord's spiritual realm of eternity

Edited May 12 by truth7t7

[Locust]

3 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Revelation 14:9-11 are both physical and spiritual

The mark of the beast will be literally, physical, upon this earth

The lake office and eternal torment of the Wickes is in the Lord's eternal spiritual

 “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, 

[truth7t7]

2 hours ago, Locust said:

 “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, 

My Holy Bible teaches that (The Beast) in Revelation Chapter 13 will be a literal individual human man

The same future bad guy Daniel's (Little Horn) Paul's (Man Of Sin) John's (The Beast) will be a future literal human man, a King/Ruler of Jewish/Hebrew descent, he will have a living body that will be cast into the lake of fire

The little horn will be a man that has a physical individual body that will be destroyed and given to the lake of fire at the final judgement

Daniel 7:10-11KJV

10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

The future Man Of Sin will be a human man described by first person pronouns "He" "Himself" who will be destroyed at the second coming

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 & 8-9KJV

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

 

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

The Beast will be a human man, the number of "A Man" "His Number"

Revelation 13:18KJV

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

The Beast will have a physical living body that will be cast alive into the lake of fire with the false prophet

Revelation 19:20KJV

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

[Locust]

2 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

My Holy Bible teaches that (The Beast) in Revelation Chapter 13 will be a literal individual human man

well ,sorry , no . in reality its man's kinds governments  which stands against God kingdom ruling the earth .does God have the right to say how mankind should be doing things ?? I'd say yes ! if any stand against God its not a  wise move .

Edited May 12 by Locust

[truth7t7]

5 hours ago, Locust said:

well ,sorry , no . in reality its man's kinds governments  which stands against God kingdom ruling the earth .does God have the right to say how mankind should be doing things ?? I'd say yes ! if any stand against God its not a  wise move .

I Disagree As Previously Stated

[Locust]

2 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

I Disagree As Previously Stated

from that you have said God does not have the right to say how mankind should be doing things. 

[dad2]

On 5/8/2025 at 12:07 AM, truth7t7 said:

Joe it's my only conclusion that your suggesting Isaiah 65:20 seen below in a child dying at 100yrs old, you didn't give scripture reference to your claim

The scripture screams in Isaiah 65:17 at the reader that the place seen is the New Heaven and Earth, then Isaiah 65:18 screams "rejoice forever" in that which I create "The New Creation"

 

Some people interpret that as being about the Millennium. Looking at the verse before it does say the earth.

 

Isaiah 65:16

That he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes.

 

 That seems to set the scene on earth. The thing is, at that same time, heaven will also be very much a factor in life on earth. For example, we probably will commute from New Jerusalem to earth and back in out duties helping Jesus rule the earth.

 

 Then again in verse 18 it talks about Jerusalem, which is on earth.

Isaiah 65:18

But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

 

 We know He rules from Jerusalem on earth in the 1000 years. That does not mean that He also does not live in or go to New Jerusalem.

So I would say that the chapter contains references to both, the 1000 year reign of Christ on the earth, as well as the new heavens and earth. The final verses in the chapter sound a lot like life on earth. Farming, building houses, planting vineyards, having offspring etc.

 In the place Jesus prepared, He built the houses for us. We live forever, so saying that we would 'long enjoy the work of our hands' in heaven does not seem to be the best description, but does fit the people living on earth in the millennium.

In order for you to omit the first part of the eternal rule of Jesus which is on earth, and make all passages only fit heaven, you have to basically change the meaning of the person dying.  You must turn it into a 'figure of speech'. It is not a figure that fits heaven at all. There is NO death there.

 Your attempt at making Rev 21 a parallel passage doesn't work either. In Rev 21 it clearly talks about NEW Jerusalem. In Isa it just talks about Jerusalem. I suggest that it is not correct to conflate all the verses in Isa 65 with being exclusive to the new heavens and new earth.

 

[truth7t7]

On 5/12/2025 at 4:40 AM, Locust said:

from that you have said God does not have the right to say how mankind should be doing things. 

I Disagree

I never said such a thing, it's "your opinion" I have said such

Edited May 13 by truth7t7