Christ's kingdom will never be physically on this earth

[truth7t7]

5 hours ago, Locust said:

Is the thought of symbolic fire unattainable for you?

Is the thought of "Literal" fire from the Lord out of heaven unattainable for you?

Genesis 19:24-25KJV

24 Then the Lord rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven;

25 And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.

Luke 17:29-30KJV

29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Edited April 22 by truth7t7

[truth7t7]

5 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

 

Psalm 2

1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,

3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

6 Yet have I set My king upon My holy hill of Zion.

7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.

11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.

12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when His wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in Him.





Jer 3
 17At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the LORD; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart. 18In those days the house of Judah shall walk with the house of Israel, and they shall come together out of the land of the north to the land that I have given for an inheritance unto your fathers.

Jeremiah 3:17 is the "Eternal New Jerusalem" In The New Heaven And Earth also seen in Revelation 21:22-26 below

Jeremiah 3:17KJV

17 At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the Lord; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the Lord, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart.

Revelation 21:22-26KJV

22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.

26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.

 

 

Edited April 22 by truth7t7

[truth7t7]

5 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Zeph 3

14Sing, O daughter of Zion; shout, O Israel; be glad and rejoice with all the heart, O daughter of Jerusalem.

15The LORD hath taken away thy judgments, he hath cast out thine enemy: the king of Israel, even the LORD, is in the midst of thee: thou shalt not see evil any more.

16In that day it shall be said to Jerusalem, Fear thou not: and to Zion, Let not thine hands be slack.

17The LORD thy God in the midst of thee is mighty; he will save, he will rejoice over thee with joy; he will rest in his love, he will joy over thee with singing.







Eze 38
 

14Sing, O daughter of Zion; shout, O Israel; be glad and rejoice with all the heart, O daughter of Jerusalem.

15The LORD hath taken away thy judgments, he hath cast out thine enemy: the king of Israel, even the LORD, is in the midst of thee: thou shalt not see evil any more.

16In that day it shall be said to Jerusalem, Fear thou not: and to Zion, Let not thine hands be slack.

17The LORD thy God in the midst of thee is mighty; he will save, he will rejoice over thee with joy; he will rest in his love, he will joy over thee with singing.

Zephaniah Chapter 3 isn't a 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom on this earth as suggested, it's the "Eternal Kingdom" after the Lord destroys this earth by fire

Why do you disregard Zephaniah 3:8 seen below "All The Earth"shall be devoured by the Lord's fire "All" as I have shown you several times in continued denial of this biblical truth

Zephaniah 3:8 & Revelation 20:8-9 is the same event in the Lord gathering the nation's and fire destruction 

Zephaniah 3:8KJV

8 Therefore wait ye upon me, saith the Lord, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for my determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them mine indignation, even all my fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy.

Revelation 20:8-9KJV

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Edited April 22 by truth7t7

[Locust]

3 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Is the thought of "Literal" fire from the Lord out of heaven unattainable for you?

Genesis 19:24-25KJV

24 Then the Lord rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven;

25 And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.

Luke 17:29-30KJV

29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

According to your calculations when does this symbolic fire fall from the sky as you are predicting?

[Desopixi Seilynam]

On 4/11/2025 at 9:33 PM, Luther said:

But the point I'm making is that there is no concrete evidence of the duration of this literal   "millennial kingdom". If you read " for ever", it means " for ever ". 

Can you find "forever" in Ezekiel 40 to the end?

The Lord will reign forever, ultimately, from the city of heaven that comes down. His ultimate sanctuary is the city of heaven that comes down.

"will set my sanctuary in the midst of them forevermore"
"and my tabernacle shall be with them"
Ezekiel 37:26-28

"and I John saw the holy city new Jerusalem,
coming down from God out of the sky.....
behold, the tabernacle of God is with men,
and He will dwell with them"
Revelation 21:2-3

Yes, those two passages are speaking about the same thing.
When it is forevermore is when that city comes down.
That city comes down after/as this current sky sea and land are destroyed,
that is clearly what Revelation tells us.

The city described in Ezekiel 40 to the end is clearly not that city.
Ezekiel prophesies concerning the very end, but only describes the city
of the 1000 years. The final end and city is described in Revelation.
 

Ezekiel and Revelation have the same Author,
they were written by the Holy Spirit.
They tell the same prophecy, Revelation giving the final details
that Ezekiel did not give.

The first 1000 years of the reign are from the city described in Ezekiel.
When Gog and Magog (the whole unsaved world) tries to attack,
God sends a fire down that destroys them and the sky sea and land,
Ezekiel 39:6, Revelation 20:9, 2 Peter 3:8-12,
then His ultimate prepared since the foundation of the world tabernacle
comes down. Revelation 21:1-2

 

 

And the concrete evidence of the duration is given in Revelation.

"...and lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
This is the first resurrection.
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the
thousand years were finished."
Revelation 20:4-5

And these passages must be fulfilled:

All of the saints get to execute the vengeance written:
Psalm 149:9

"The righteous shall rejoice when they see the vengeance
they shall wash their feet in the blood of the wicked"
Psalm 58:10

We reign over the remaining mortals,
many will be underground Isaiah 2:10, Revelation 6:15,
and there will be a vast army gathered to try to fight
the army of immortal saints. 
[ Ezekiel 37:10, Joel 2:11, Jude 1:14-15, Revelation 19:14-21 ]

For 1000 years we reign over this earth,
rebuilding the ruins into the city described in Ezekiel.
Any remaining alive will be required to come to the feast of tabernacles
once a year: Zechariah chapter 14.
After 1000 years Satan gets the world to try to attack the camp of the saints,
but is unsuccessful, a fire destroys them and the world, Satan and death and all who loved death and lies are thrown into the lake of fire, and the city
of heaven comes down, the reign continuing forever from it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Desopixi Seilynam]

5 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Why do you disregard Zephaniah 3:8 seen below "All The Earth"shall be devoured by the Lord's fire "All" as I have shown you several times in continued denial of this biblical truth

 

And the Lord called the sky "Heaven" Genesis 1:8

And the Lord called the dry land "Earth"  Genesis 1:10

 

"all the land shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy"
Zephaniah 3:8

In context (Zephaniah 3:1, Zephaniah 3:11)
it is speaking about all the land of Israel.

"from beyond the rivers of Ethiopia, my worshipers,
even the daughter of my dispersed, shall bring my offering"
Zephaniah 3:10

How can that be if the whole entire "globe" is destroyed in verse 8?
It's not talking about a destruction  of some "globe",
it's talking about Israel, this is clear as we read 10 to 13 and from verse 1.

 

Zephaniah 3:8 is referring to Revelation 19:21,
The fire from the mouth of the Lord.

 

The Lord returns and destroys the Satanic temple
built to the anti-Christ, and the abomination of desolation,
and the armies gathered to fight Him and His army.
The Lord destroys them and the evil city, and comes down to rebuild and reign.

Ezekiel 36:23-26, Isaiah 61:4, Revelation 19:14-21.

In Revelation there are two fire coming down events.
Revelation 19:21 from the Messiah.
Revelation 20:9 from the Father.

Zephaniah is describing the first event.
Zephaniah speaks of the removal of the people that rule the land now.

"Woe to her that is rebellious and polluted, to the oppressing city"
Zephaniah 3:1

"I will take away from the midst of thee,
them that rejoice in thy pride.
And you will no more be prideful IN my holy mountain"
Zephaniah 3:11

Those words describe the Israel of our time now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[truth7t7]

44 minutes ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

Any remaining alive will be required to come to the feast of tabernacles
once a year: Zechariah chapter 14.

Zechariah Chapter 14 Is The "Eternal Kingdom"

Zechariah 14:1-12 below shows the Lords return to earth in fire in final judgement.

(Verse 1) shows "The Day Of The Lord" also seen in 2 Peter 3:10-13 "Fire Judgement" below

(Verse 2) Shows that all nations are gathered for the final battle of arm

(Verses 3-5) shows the Lords return, and his eternal feet touch down on the earthly Mt, of Olives, and in the "Twinkling Of An Eye" 1 Cor 15:52 takes place, in the catching up, resurrection, final judgement by fire, and the New Heavens, Earth, and Jerusalem being revealed for eternity, judgement complete, eternity begins.

(Verses 6-7) Eternal light seen, in the eternal kingdom, Rev 2

(Verse 8) The river of life is seen, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 10) The New creation is being revealed, the plain is lifted up.

(Verse 12) "The Day Of The Lord" showing the "Last Day" judgement by the Lords fire, as men are consumed as they stand on their feet, 2 Peter 3:10-13

2 Peter 3:10KJV

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Revelation 22:1KJV

And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

"The Eternal Kingdom"!

Zechariah 14:1-12KJV

14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:

7 but it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

9 And the Lordshall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.

10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin’s gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king’s winepresses.

11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

[truth7t7]

1 hour ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

 

And the Lord called the sky "Heaven" Genesis 1:8

And the Lord called the dry land "Earth"  Genesis 1:10

 

"all the land shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy"
Zephaniah 3:8

In context (Zephaniah 3:1, Zephaniah 3:11)
it is speaking about all the land of Israel.

"from beyond the rivers of Ethiopia, my worshipers,
even the daughter of my dispersed, shall bring my offering"
Zephaniah 3:10

How can that be if the whole entire "globe" is destroyed in verse 8?
It's not talking about a destruction  of some "globe",
it's talking about Israel, this is clear as we read 10 to 13 and from verse 1.

 

Zephaniah 3:8 is referring to Revelation 19:21,
The fire from the mouth of the Lord.

 

The Lord returns and destroys the Satanic temple
built to the anti-Christ, and the abomination of desolation,
and the armies gathered to fight Him and His army.
The Lord destroys them and the evil city, and comes down to rebuild and reign.

Ezekiel 36:23-26, Isaiah 61:4, Revelation 19:14-21.

In Revelation there are two fire coming down events.
Revelation 19:21 from the Messiah.
Revelation 20:9 from the Father.

Zephaniah is describing the first event.
Zephaniah speaks of the removal of the people that rule the land now.

"Woe to her that is rebellious and polluted, to the oppressing city"
Zephaniah 3:1

"I will take away from the midst of thee,
them that rejoice in thy pride.
And you will no more be prideful IN my holy mountain"
Zephaniah 3:11

Those words describe the Israel of our time now.

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV

1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV

13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV

29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV

7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV

2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV

6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV

3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV

5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV

15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV

12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV

5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.

6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Edited April 22 by truth7t7

[truth7t7]

51 minutes ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

Can you find "forever" in Ezekiel 40 to the end?

The Lord will reign forever, ultimately, from the city of heaven that comes down. His ultimate sanctuary is the city of heaven that comes down.

"will set my sanctuary in the midst of them forevermore"
"and my tabernacle shall be with them"
Ezekiel 37:26-28

"and I John saw the holy city new Jerusalem,
coming down from God out of the sky.....
behold, the tabernacle of God is with men,
and He will dwell with them"
Revelation 21:2-3

Yes, those two passages are speaking about the same thing.
When it is forevermore is when that city comes down.
That city comes down after/as this current sky sea and land are destroyed,
that is clearly what Revelation tells us.

The city described in Ezekiel 40 to the end is clearly not that city.
Ezekiel prophesies concerning the very end, but only describes the city
of the 1000 years. The final end and city is described in Revelation.
 

Ezekiel and Revelation have the same Author,
they were written by the Holy Spirit.
They tell the same prophecy, Revelation giving the final details
that Ezekiel did not give.

The first 1000 years of the reign are from the city described in Ezekiel.
When Gog and Magog (the whole unsaved world) tries to attack,
God sends a fire down that destroys them and the sky sea and land,
Ezekiel 39:6, Revelation 20:9, 2 Peter 3:8-12,
then His ultimate prepared since the foundation of the world tabernacle
comes down. Revelation 21:1-2

 

 

And the concrete evidence of the duration is given in Revelation.

"...and lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
This is the first resurrection.
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the
thousand years were finished."
Revelation 20:4-5

And these passages must be fulfilled:

All of the saints get to execute the vengeance written:
Psalm 149:9

"The righteous shall rejoice when they see the vengeance
they shall wash their feet in the blood of the wicked"
Psalm 58:10

We reign over the remaining mortals,
many will be underground Isaiah 2:10, Revelation 6:15,
and there will be a vast army gathered to try to fight
the army of immortal saints. 
[ Ezekiel 37:10, Joel 2:11, Jude 1:14-15, Revelation 19:14-21 ]

For 1000 years we reign over this earth,
rebuilding the ruins into the city described in Ezekiel.
Any remaining alive will be required to come to the feast of tabernacles
once a year: Zechariah chapter 14.
After 1000 years Satan gets the world to try to attack the camp of the saints,
but is unsuccessful, a fire destroys them and the world, Satan and death and all who loved death and lies are thrown into the lake of fire, and the city
of heaven comes down, the reign continuing forever from it.

Many just don't want to let go of their little pet 1,000 year kingdom on this earth that doesn't exist in scripture

Paul clearly taught that when Jesus returns the resurrection of the dead takes place, (Then Cometh The End) its that simple (The End) not a 1,000 year kingdom on this earth as many "Falsely" claim

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The scripture above is in perfect agreement with Jesus being revealed in fire and brimstone as seen below (Then Cometh The End) as all the unsaved wicked are destroyed at the Lord's return

(Destroyed Them All)

Luke 17:29-30KJV

29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

The resurrection of "All" is seen below and the wicked are judged to eternal damnation, this is when the "Final Judgement" takes place (The End)

John 5:28-29KJV

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

 Jesus clearly taught that the resurrection of "All" takes place on "The Last Day" this is in perfect agreement with the scripture above

John 6:39-40KJV

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

[Desopixi Seilynam]

1 minute ago, truth7t7 said:

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

You have not addressed what I showed concerning Zephaniah.
You skip Revelation 20 completely in that last post.

And you skirt Zechariah 14:16-19.

In the final end there will be no more death, and no remaining non believers.