Christ's kingdom will never be physically on this earth

[Luther]

On 3/25/2025 at 7:10 PM, DeighAnn said:

Questions and thoughts some might need to consider...since my 'quote' isn't working 


If Satan and his angels were cast out of heaven in 70AD, then where are all the Nephelium and their offspring, the giants?  We know when the 'fallen angels' now in chains in darkness left their habitation the first time, the flood of Noahs day came upon the world and that was in LESS than 1000 years.  According to some, they have been walking around for almost 2000.  How is that even possible? 

7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

If he was cast out in 70AD, then when did the beast rise up from the sea?  Who were the horns?  What was the deadly wound?  Why is there no one making lightning come from the sky?  What 'image' is the whole world worshipping after?  What does the mark of the beast look like?  How is it there are still churches worshipping 'the God in heaven' if indeed Satan is in the holy place proclaiming himself to be God? 

Makes one wonder 'who is being deceived?'  

Either they were cast out or they weren't.  If they were, then the answers to these questions should be history to us today and easy to answer. 






13And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. 14And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

Didn't the House of Judah bring forth JESUS?  

If the dragon was cast out in 70AD, and the temple was being destroyed, then who or what was being nourished' 'for a time and times and half a time'...

   



The House of Israel, the part of Israel who were scattered to the nations were scattered 200 years before Jesus was born and forgot who they were aka the House of Israel so never rejected Jesus so never made blind, and who should never be confused with those of the house of Judah who have never forgotten who they are/were. 

 

 

John 18 
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Greek order given
Answered Jesus, The kingdom My, not is of the world this; if of the world this were kingdom My attendants My would fight that not I might be betrayed to the Jews.

NOW however kingdom My not is from here.  

The KINGDOM and the KING were being rejected at this point. How does that negate Him from sitting upon the Throne of David here on earth when He returns in like manner as He was seen to go?  He is coming back at the 2nd Advent for the day of vengeance?  
 
Strong's Lexicon
3568 nun  
Definition: now, at present, at this time
Meaning: adv. (a) of time: just now, even now; just at hand, immediately, at this instant.
Word Origin: A primary particle of present time
now, as the result of what precedes; now, in light of what has gone before

Jesus sits on the throne of David and is the King of the millennial kingdom during the Lords Day and that day ends when 
  
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

which we see in Rev 22
1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. 2In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. 3And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: 4And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads. 5And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.




In the day you eat of it you will surely die...no one ever lived 1000 years but they came mighty close...LITERALLY

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day 2 Peter 3:8

What is the context of that?  If it comes at us as literal, shouldn't we accept it that way?  

3Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4And saying, Where is the promise of His coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

 

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.


How could UNGODLY men come to repentance if there were NO LORDS DAY/1000 years, for them to HEAR the words of God??   

How would GOD, not willing that ANY SHOULD PERISH, justify something like THAT?  TOO BAD, SO SAD, BETTER LUCK like NEVER

To whom does that seem just?  (Then again, there are those who like to add a little extra SALT to the wound, by believing in 'eternal punishment' rather than 'death of both body and soul', for those who died not having been saved even through no 'choice' of their own)

Surely I will not be found to be one of those without MERCY extended to those who were not of the blood line and/or never were taught GODS TRUTH.  

So I thank God the dead will rise...and will get the chance to choose.

But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection Revelation 20:5  

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison Revelation 20:7 



 

DeighAnn, I just saw your post and would like to take it all in and share some thoughts. 

[DeighAnn]

23 minutes ago, Luther said:

DeighAnn, I just saw your post and would like to take it all in and share some thoughts. 

Then I will make no more comments on any of the other posts and will wait until your next one.  

[Luther]

On 3/25/2025 at 7:10 PM, DeighAnn said:

Questions and thoughts some might need to consider...since my 'quote' isn't working 


If Satan and his angels were cast out of heaven in 70AD, then where are all the Nephelium and their offspring, the giants?  We know when the 'fallen angels' now in chains in darkness left their habitation the first time, the flood of Noahs day came upon the world and that was in LESS than 1000 years.  According to some, they have been walking around for almost 2000.  How is that even possible? 

7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

If he was cast out in 70AD, then when did the beast rise up from the sea?  Who were the horns?  What was the deadly wound?  Why is there no one making lightning come from the sky?  What 'image' is the whole world worshipping after?  What does the mark of the beast look like?  How is it there are still churches worshipping 'the God in heaven' if indeed Satan is in the holy place proclaiming himself to be God? 

Makes one wonder 'who is being deceived?'  

Either they were cast out or they weren't.  If they were, then the answers to these questions should be history to us today and easy to answer. 






13And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. 14And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

Didn't the House of Judah bring forth JESUS?  

If the dragon was cast out in 70AD, and the temple was being destroyed, then who or what was being nourished' 'for a time and times and half a time'...

   



The House of Israel, the part of Israel who were scattered to the nations were scattered 200 years before Jesus was born and forgot who they were aka the House of Israel so never rejected Jesus so never made blind, and who should never be confused with those of the house of Judah who have never forgotten who they are/were. 

 

 

John 18 
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Greek order given
Answered Jesus, The kingdom My, not is of the world this; if of the world this were kingdom My attendants My would fight that not I might be betrayed to the Jews.

NOW however kingdom My not is from here.  

The KINGDOM and the KING were being rejected at this point. How does that negate Him from sitting upon the Throne of David here on earth when He returns in like manner as He was seen to go?  He is coming back at the 2nd Advent for the day of vengeance?  
 
Strong's Lexicon
3568 nun  
Definition: now, at present, at this time
Meaning: adv. (a) of time: just now, even now; just at hand, immediately, at this instant.
Word Origin: A primary particle of present time
now, as the result of what precedes; now, in light of what has gone before

Jesus sits on the throne of David and is the King of the millennial kingdom during the Lords Day and that day ends when 
  
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

which we see in Rev 22
1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. 2In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. 3And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: 4And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads. 5And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.




In the day you eat of it you will surely die...no one ever lived 1000 years but they came mighty close...LITERALLY

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day 2 Peter 3:8

What is the context of that?  If it comes at us as literal, shouldn't we accept it that way?  

3Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4And saying, Where is the promise of His coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

 

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.


How could UNGODLY men come to repentance if there were NO LORDS DAY/1000 years, for them to HEAR the words of God??   

How would GOD, not willing that ANY SHOULD PERISH, justify something like THAT?  TOO BAD, SO SAD, BETTER LUCK like NEVER

To whom does that seem just?  (Then again, there are those who like to add a little extra SALT to the wound, by believing in 'eternal punishment' rather than 'death of both body and soul', for those who died not having been saved even through no 'choice' of their own)

Surely I will not be found to be one of those without MERCY extended to those who were not of the blood line and/or never were taught GODS TRUTH.  

So I thank God the dead will rise...and will get the chance to choose.

But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection Revelation 20:5  

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison Revelation 20:7 



 

From what I understand, gleaning from a wise Bible teacher and some studying, is that satan, or lucifer, had the ability to come into the "highest place of heaven" where God's throne is, and had "free reign " on the earth up until the time that Jesus was about to go to the Cross. 

(( satan was at one point allowed to be in God's presence)):

Job 1:7 KJV

And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

(( Satan and his angels had "unbound" power on earth)):

Revelation 12:3-4 KJV

And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

[4] And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

(( Although Satan could not affect the birth of Christ, I'm using this verse to show the difference between v.4 and v.9.

The woman is the bride of Christ, OT and NT. The OT woman were the Israelites waiting for the Messiah, as Satan was waiting as well to " devour" Him)): 

Revelation 12:5-6 KJV

And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

[6] And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

((The " woman " ( v.6)  is now the NT church under God's protection from Satan)) 

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(( War in heaven when Jesus was on earth, I believe)):

Revelation 12:7 KJV

And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

[8] And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

[9] And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

((Now Satan and his angels are cast  "into" the earth, or spiritually " bound". He " prevailed not" against the  angels of heaven  at a time when  I believe Christ was on earth. So:

#1) he lost his ability to dwell in the "third heaven" , if you will, and

#2)lost the power he once had on the earth:

Revelation 12:10-12 KJV

And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

[11] And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

[12] Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

(( Jesus, towards the end of His earthly ministry, observed the following )):

Luke 10:17-19 KJV

And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.

[18] And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

[19] Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

((Satan falls from heaven, bound for " a thousand years" ( allegorical language for a completeness of time, which I believe is from the time of the Cross until the period of " great tribulation" when he is " loosed" to deceive the nations)):

Revelation 20:2-3,7-8 KJV

And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

[3] And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

[7] And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

[8] And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

So when you asked: "If the dragon was cast out in 70AD, and the temple was being destroyed, then who or what was being nourished' 'for a time and times and half a time'..."

I believe he was cast out maybe 36 years before the fall of Jerusalem. The newly established assembly in Christ " flew"  (like on eagles wings, with the protection of God) into the wilderness  (the unsaved world) to proclaim  the gospel of Jesus Christ to the world. 

At that time ( right up  unto this day but not much longer) Satan was bound or  "limited" in his ability to thwart God's salvation plan. Yes, he is still able to cause a tremendous amount of chaos, but not towards the witness of the true believers. It was not that way before the cross before he was bound. He vexed the souls of countless individuals. You read about the demonic possessions all the time before Pentecost. That was the landscape. Hardly anyone received the Holy Ghost. We really don't read of a whole lot of people in the OT that had a relationship with Jesus, the Holy One of Israel. 

I look at it this way:

Satan : full power on the earth when  Holy Spirit is  in Heaven. 

Holy Spirit comes to earth, Satan bound from the Cross to the Great Tribulation. 

The Great Tribulation: The Holy Spirit is  "taken out of the midst" and at that moment guess who is loosed.....for " a little season" ( which I believe to be 5 months, shortened for the elect's sake, because it's going to be that horrible). 

Satan will be worshiped by the world  (who have had the mark of the beast in them from the time of the mRNA shots and whatever else was planned) only for a short space, to be destroyed by the brightness of Christ's coming. 

This is a very simple assessment. There are various scriptures that interweave this narrative. You have to pick away at it. And I am of course subject to further understanding/ correction from the brothers and sisters in Christ. 

[abcdef]

On 3/27/2025 at 2:00 PM, Luther said:

"If we believe that we are living in the time when Jerusalem is restored,

And we believe that the kingdom is the gospel kingdom and there will be no material kingdom on this planet, Then we should reason out that the forces of Magog are presently surrounding Israel and Jerusalem and the 2nd resurrection is about to take place."

 

On 3/27/2025 at 2:00 PM, Luther said:

I agree. Israel is provoking the nations to a very high degree at this point in time. 

This situation in the Middle East is the result of Israel and Iran prophecy.

Israel tried to make peace many times but Iran did not stop their aggression. 

Israel must fight back or die.

The War of Armageddon is going on now. The battle of Armageddon is just the last battle that Israel loses.

 

On 3/27/2025 at 2:00 PM, Luther said:

"Satan is bound from destroying Israel as long as they are in the gentile nations. Once Jerusalem is restored, Satan deceives the gentile nations into attacking restored Jerusalem."

 

On 3/27/2025 at 2:00 PM, Luther said:

I never looked at it that way. I know that if the jews left all of the Gentile nations, they would lose their source of income and control over those nations.

There will always be children of Israel in the gentile nations. The times of the gentiles ends when Israel controls Jerusalem, 1967, Lk 21:20-24, 24.

This restoration of Jerusalem is another timeline anchor that shows we are at the time before the 2nd resurrection and the last judgment, Rev 20.

 

On 3/27/2025 at 2:00 PM, Luther said:

But if they were expelled ( which they have been from 109 countries over 1100 times) that would make more sense. 

Then they would definitely feel vulnerable ( if the whole world united against them) and, as they have already warned us,

Do the Jews control the money in China? India? Russia? Indonesia? Iran? Saudi Aribia? Any Islamic countries? That is most of the world's population. Elon Musk? 

The idea that Jews control the world is, without support. 

 

On 3/27/2025 at 2:00 PM, Luther said:

would use the " Samson option", and fire off all of their nuclear missiles in an act of self defense.

Revelation already shows that Jerusalem falls because of the numbers that are against them. So it doesn't really matter if Israel fires it's nukes, Rev 9:16.

Will Israel nuke itself? 85 mi wide, 290 mi long? Will they nuke Jerusalem? No.

Missile silos are inoperable when their hatches are damaged. 

 

On 3/27/2025 at 2:00 PM, Luther said:

Clearly we can no longer turn a blind eye to this mounting prophetic scenario about to take place. The U.S. ( for Israel's sake) is currently bombing Yemen and we have aircraft carriers and whatever else

The military situation will only get worse for America and Israel.

Military force is not the only power at work in these prophetic events.

Natural disasters such as earthquakes, volcanos, storms, and other events play a part too.

The Revelation doesn't show the politics of modern nations. It shows the events and entities centered on restored Jerusalem. As a result, we only know the Jerusalem falls because of the attacking armies and where they are from, the Euphrates area.

 

On 3/27/2025 at 2:00 PM, Luther said:

poised for an attack on Iran ( which I believe will occur within 6 months). 

COME LORD JESUS. 

I agree. 

The event that I am watching for is when America abandons Israel.

America has turned on it's allies. How long before America turns on Israel, abandons Israel?

But maybe America won't and it will be some natural disaster that prevents America from acting.

I know that something will happen, what exactly it will be is not clear.

I believe that we are in the last few moments of human life on this planet before Jesus comes for the gospel kingdom.

The prophecies all fit together once we have the events on the right timeline.

It can all be explained now as 2000 years of history have past and the times of the gentiles is ended.

[DeighAnn]

On 3/27/2025 at 8:17 PM, Luther said:

From what I understand, gleaning from a wise Bible teacher and some studying, is that satan, or lucifer, had the ability to come into the "highest place of heaven" where God's throne is, and had "free reign " on the earth up until the time that Jesus was about to go to the Cross. 

Not from 'a wise Bible teacher' but just the words of God themselves...


1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: 2And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

3And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

Satan WAS in heaven, as told in Eze 28
 

11Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

12Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.

13Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

14Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

If we continue it tells us 'the iniquity' that caused

4And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

That 'BEGINNING' took place IN HEAVEN and although 'similar' to what is coming at the end of this age, aka "1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. 


 9And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.


 

[DeighAnn]

18 hours ago, abcdef said:

The War of Armageddon is going on now. The battle of Armageddon is just the last battle that Israel loses.

10And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain, 11And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

12And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

13And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. 15Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. 16And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.



And what will that 'battle' look like?  We are told in Rev 19
 

11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Defeat of the Beast and False Prophet

17And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; 18That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

19And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

20And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

We CAN NOT be in the war of Armaggedon because we have not lived in a world in which EVERYONE is being deceived by ANYONE performing MIRACLES and all the rest that come before that.  None of the other BOWLS have been dumped out.  There is an ORDER to the things GOD gives us, and we are not free to change them.  
 

The Seventh Bowl of Wrath

17And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.




18And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. 19And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. 20And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. 21And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

[Luther]

17 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Not from 'a wise Bible teacher' but just the words of God themselves...


1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: 2And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

3And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

Satan WAS in heaven, as told in Eze 28
 

11Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

12Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.

13Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

14Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

If we continue it tells us 'the iniquity' that caused

4And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

That 'BEGINNING' took place IN HEAVEN and although 'similar' to what is coming at the end of this age, aka "1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. 


 9And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.


 

Sure, satan lived in heaven, and he roamed the earth. But I believe there was a point in time when he was greatly hindered in his ability to affect the spreading of the gospel. I believe that at moment in time the Holy Spirit was  "poured out" to provide the protection and environment for God's word to take root in the hearts of those whom Jesus came to save. All God's children are written in His book. 

And soon there will be a time when satans " chains" are loosed and he will proceed to cause spiritual affliction like the world has never seen. 

[DeighAnn]

1 hour ago, Luther said:

Sure, satan lived in heaven, and he roamed the earth. But I believe there was a point in time when he was greatly hindered in his ability to affect the spreading of the gospel. I believe that at moment in time the Holy Spirit was  "poured out" to provide the protection and environment for God's word to take root in the hearts of those whom Jesus came to save. All God's children are written in His book. 

And soon there will be a time when satans " chains" are loosed and he will proceed to cause spiritual affliction like the world has never seen. 

I agree, he has been greatly hindered and we are told when that took place and  what it meant but there were no 'chains' mentioned, and I have not been able to find any mention of his being 'chained' at anytime BEFORE Christs return as LORD OF LORDS AND KING OF KINGS...where would I read of this taking place?


Gen 3

14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.



Wasn't the reason those who called themselves Jews (but were not) WANTED Jesus killed was because His speaking GODS WORDS was being rooted en masse amongst the people hearing him (and not just those who truly were the Jews of the tribe of Judah, but gentiles alike) which would soon have left them without anyone to rule over?    

Isn't the 'body of Christ' supposed to be the way to both spread and protect the TRUTH found in the words of God?  The Holy Spirit is given us to lead and guide in the ways of God while we walk in the flesh, agreed, but even before the day of Pentacost and the 'cloven' tongue Jesus said
 

17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name. 18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. 19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. 20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

I believe Satan works hardest in the churches today through the traditions, theories, doctrines and the wisdom of men... anything to stop GODS WORDS as they are written from being taught.  

 

6 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time: 7Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you. 8Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: 9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.

 

The thread is named "Christ's kingdom will never be physically on this earth". 


A couple questions as to how that 'works' with these things written...

Zech 1
12 Then the angel of the LORD answered and said, O LORD of hosts, how long wilt thou not have mercy on Jerusalem and on the cities of Judah, against which thou hast had indignation these threescore and ten years? 13And the LORD answered the angel that talked with me with good words and comfortable words. 14So the angel that communed with me said unto me, Cry thou, saying, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; I am jealous for Jerusalem and for Zion with a great jealousy. 15And I am very sore displeased with the heathen that are at ease: for I was but a little displeased, and they helped forward the affliction. 16Therefore thus saith the LORD; I am returned to Jerusalem with mercies: my house shall be built in it, saith the LORD of hosts, and a line shall be stretched forth upon Jerusalem. 17Cry yet, saying, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; My cities through prosperity shall yet be spread abroad; and the LORD shall yet comfort Zion, and shall yet choose Jerusalem.


8
1Again the word of the LORD of hosts came to me, saying, 2Thus saith the LORD of hosts; I was jealous for Zion with great jealousy, and I was jealous for her with great fury. 3Thus saith the LORD; I am returned unto Zion, and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and Jerusalem shall be called a city of truth; and the mountain of the LORD of hosts the holy mountain.


132

1A Song of degrees. LORD, remember David, and all his afflictions:

2How he sware unto the LORD, and vowed unto the mighty God of Jacob;

3Surely I will not come into the tabernacle of my house, nor go up into my bed;

4I will not give sleep to mine eyes, or slumber to mine eyelids,

5Until I find out a place for the LORD, an habitation for the mighty God of Jacob.

6Lo, we heard of it at Ephratah: we found it in the fields of the wood.

7We will go into his tabernacles: we will worship at his footstool.

8Arise, O LORD, into thy rest; thou, and the ark of thy strength.

9Let thy priests be clothed with righteousness; and let thy saints shout for joy.

10For thy servant David's sake turn not away the face of thine anointed.

11The LORD hath sworn in truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne.

12If thy children will keep my covenant and my testimony that I shall teach them, their children shall also sit upon thy throne for evermore.

13For the LORD hath chosen Zion; he hath desired it for his habitation.

14This is my rest for ever: here will I dwell; for I have desired it.

15I will abundantly bless her provision: I will satisfy her poor with bread.

16I will also clothe her priests with salvation: and her saints shall shout aloud for joy.

17There will I make the horn of David to bud: I have ordained a lamp for mine anointed.

18His enemies will I clothe with shame: but upon himself shall his crown flourish.




Joel
11Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O LORD.

12Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about.

13Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great.

14Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.

15The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.

16The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.

17So shall ye know that I am the LORD your God dwelling in Zion, my holy mountain: then shall Jerusalem be holy, and there shall no strangers pass through her any more.

18And it shall come to pass in that day, that the mountains shall drop down new wine, and the hills shall flow with milk, and all the rivers of Judah shall flow with waters, and a fountain shall come forth of the house of the LORD, and shall water the valley of Shittim.

19Egypt shall be a desolation, and Edom shall be a desolate wilderness, for the violence against the children of Judah, because they have shed innocent blood in their land.

20But Judah shall dwell for ever, and Jerusalem from generation to generation.

21For I will cleanse their blood that I have not cleansed: for the LORD dwelleth in Zion.

 

 

[truth7t7]

On 3/27/2025 at 8:17 PM, Luther said:

(( Satan and his angels had "unbound" power on earth)):

Your claim is "False"

God has always been in control of the earth, and the very subject of Job shows this power of God over Satan

In the scripture below you see God had a hedge of protection and blessing on Job, Satan stated that God put forth "His Hand" against Job, God gave Satan the power to test Job

God's was/is in control of the earth not Satan as you falsely suggest

Job 1:9-12KJV

9 Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?

10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.

11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.

12 And the Lord said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the Lord.

Edited April 2 by truth7t7

[Anne2]

On 3/6/2025 at 5:31 PM, Luther said:

Luke 22:29-30 KJV

And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; [30] That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Kingdom.......Kings.....Yep

Re 1:6  And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Re 5:10  And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

 

Where does this come from? the covenant made with Abraham in Genesis 17. Circumcision was a sign and seal of the faith he had while uncircimcised....

KINGS Are promised to come from Abraham......

Ge 17:6  And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.

KINGS Are promised to Sarah.....

Two covenants

Gal 4:22  For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23  But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24  Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. {covenants: or, testaments } {Sinai: Gr. Sina }
25  For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. {answereth to: or, is in the same rank with }
26  But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27  For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
 

Ps 137:6  If I do not remember thee, let my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth; if I prefer not Jerusalem above my chief joy.

CO-HEIRS,,,,,Same promise... ISRAEL  KINGS FROM HIS LOINS

Heb 11:9  By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:

THE SAME PROMISE........Kings from his loins......

Gen 35:10  And God said unto him, Thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel.
11  And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;
12  And the land which I gave Abraham and Isaac, to thee I will give it, and to thy seed after thee will I give the land.

There is more but I will leave it at this......KINGS were the promise of Genesis 17....
Ga 3:16  Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

The one seed which is Christ (anointed) High Priests and Kings Are Christs