Christ's kingdom will never be physically on this earth

[Your closest friendnt]

59 minutes ago, In1 said:

For man it's flesh before spirit, for God it is spirit before flesh (if that could be said of him in such limited fashion).

I will consider that.

But quoting the post did not make any comment and a lot of people who are reading this they would like to know your thoughts. Did Jesus Christ shed the blood of the New Covenant for the forgiveness of our sins in his blood after being tested and being punished with the lasses and died on the Cross. Did Jesus Christ said "tetelestai" and descended in the place of the dead and raised from the dead and ascended to Heaven to the Heavenly Father about 2000 years ago or before the foundations of the world? 

This question includes: choose Life or Death. 

If you say 2000 years ago you are in the Life of God in Jesus Christ. 

If you say it actually happened before the foundation of the world you have chosen "Death". As you deny that Jesus Christ came to earth about 2000 years ago born of the virgin Mary. John 1:9 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. Was born from Mary about 2000 years ago in Bethlehem. He was born to die on the Cross for the forgiveness of our sins. 

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[In1]

48 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

I will consider that.

But quoting the post did not make any comment and a lot of people who are reading this they would like to know your thoughts. Did Jesus Christ shed the blood of the New Covenant for the forgiveness of our sins in his blood after being tested and being punished with the lasses and died on the Cross. Did Jesus Christ said "tetelestai" and descended in the place of the dead and raised from the dead and ascended to Heaven to the Heavenly Father about 2000 years ago or before the foundations of the world? 

This question includes: choose Life or Death. 

If you say 2000 years ago you are in the Life of God in Jesus Christ. 

If you say it actually happened before the foundation of the world you have chosen "Death". As you deny that Jesus Christ came to earth about 2000 years ago born of the virgin Mary. John 1:9 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. Was born from Mary about 2000 years ago in Bethlehem. He was born to die on the Cross for the forgiveness of our sins. 

If I put the word "before" in it, then I would be adding to that verse something that is not being said (very important).

God counted the cost to build his house before the world was ... the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world ...

To understand the why of the covenants in relationship to your soul (and where the law proceeds from) you must go back to the first garden to understand the process found in the death of innocence (though any place you tug on the red string you will find it).

I'm very aware of the trail of blood through scripture and what the blood of Jesus Christ is and is a picture of (though this is multifaceted).

If you can reason with God and become clean ... then this should also be considered when discussing covenant keeping that for all intent and purposes does the same for you.

Remember, Jesus made people clean just by speaking to them ...

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[Your closest friendnt]

15 minutes ago, In1 said:

If I put the word "before" in it, then I would be adding to that verse something that is not being said (very important).

God counted the cost to build his house before the world was ... the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world ...

To understand the why of the covenants in relationship to your soul (and where the law proceeds from) you must go back to the first garden to understand the process found in the death of innocence (though any place you tug on the red string you will find it).

I'm very aware of the trail of blood through scripture and what the blood of Jesus Christ is and is a picture of (though this is multifaceted).

If you can reason with God and become clean ... then this should also be considered when discussing covenant keeping that for all intent and purposes does the same for you.

This is not in any scripture. Esaiah never said that "we can reason with God to become clean. To believe in Jesus Christ we become clean because he is from God. 

Who died for the forgiveness of our sins. Our sins are forgiven as we are now in the New Covenant by believing in Jesus Christ that he died and pay the price for our sins.  

[In1]

20 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

This is not in any scripture. Esaiah never said that "we can reason with God to become clean. To believe in Jesus Christ we become clean because he is from God. 

Who died for the forgiveness of our sins. Our sins are forgiven as we are now in the New Covenant by believing in Jesus Christ that he died and pay the price for our sins.  

Isaiah 1:18

Notice this comes with two mountains  ...

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[Your closest friendnt]

2 hours ago, In1 said:

Isaiah 1:18

Notice this comes with two mountains  ...

You have to read Isaiah 1 from verse one to understand that God was telling them who were in the Sinai Covenant that He will not forgive their sins even though they offered the sacrifices for the forgiveness of their sins. 

He told them let's reason together you are not repenting. You say that we will sin and then we offered a sacrifice for our sins. 

God said you are in deep sin inspite of your sacrifices for sin because you are not doing it with a contrite heart.

Lets reason together if you offered the sacrifices for the forgiveness of your sins with a contrite heart then I will forgive your sins and make you clean without spots. 

And to do that they had to be Israelites or Jews and they had to go to the Temple and give their sacrifices to the Priests in the Temple to slain or kill the sacrifice animal and take the blood from the dead Animal Lamb or goat and do the Atonement for their sins. At that time the Sinai Covenant was in place and there was no forgiveness of sins without the shedding of blood the sacrificial animal had to die and the Priest collects the blood and make the Atonement at the Altar and splash the sinner with the blood of the Atonement and his sin was forgiven. Till the next time when he sins again another sacrifice in the Temple for the Atonement of his sin. 

It was costly to have your sin forgiven as a deterrant for the people to be careful not to sin. 

Verse 18 says that God will not forgive them unless for Israelites only deeply repent and promise not to do it. Applies to Israelites under the Covenant of Sinai and before the death of Jesus Christ on the Cross. Choose Life our sins are forgiven in Jesus Christ death and resurrection. He died he payed the penalty for our sins which were upon him at the time of his death. 

 

[Montana Marv]

If Christ's Kingdom will never be on earth physically, then who's kingdom is this;

Isa 2; bits and pieces;  V.3 - Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob.  He will teach us his ways, so that we may walk in his paths.  Worship and instruction involved v. 4 - He will judge between nations and settle disputes for many peoples.  They will beat their swords into plow shears and their spears into pruning hooks.  Tools of Labor involved to work the land.

Isa 11:6 - The wolf will live with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat, the calf and lion and yearling together, and a little child will lead them.  A child animal herder.

Peace on earth, or is this peace in heaven; Which is it?  Who is in Control?

In Christ

Montana Marv

[In1]

9 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

You have to read Isaiah 1 from verse one to understand that God was telling them who were in the Sinai Covenant that He will not forgive their sins even though they offered the sacrifices for the forgiveness of their sins. 

He told them let's reason together you are not repenting. You say that we will sin and then we offered a sacrifice for our sins. 

God said you are in deep sin inspite of your sacrifices for sin because you are not doing it with a contrite heart.

Lets reason together if you offered the sacrifices for the forgiveness of your sins with a contrite heart then I will forgive your sins and make you clean without spots. 

And to do that they had to be Israelites or Jews and they had to go to the Temple and give their sacrifices to the Priests in the Temple to slain or kill the sacrifice animal and take the blood from the dead Animal Lamb or goat and do the Atonement for their sins. At that time the Sinai Covenant was in place and there was no forgiveness of sins without the shedding of blood the sacrificial animal had to die and the Priest collects the blood and make the Atonement at the Altar and splash the sinner with the blood of the Atonement and his sin was forgiven. Till the next time when he sins again another sacrifice in the Temple for the Atonement of his sin. 

It was costly to have your sin forgiven as a deterrant for the people to be careful not to sin. 

Verse 18 says that God will not forgive them unless for Israelites only deeply repent and promise not to do it. Applies to Israelites under the Covenant of Sinai and before the death of Jesus Christ on the Cross. Choose Life our sins are forgiven in Jesus Christ death and resurrection. He died he payed the penalty for our sins which were upon him at the time of his death. 

 

Broods of vipers (pharisees/sadducees) thought the same thing about the forgiveness of sin ... Jesus' "what is easier to say ... "

God knew Adam could not keep the commandment just as he knew Israel could not keep the law. And just like it repented him that he created man on the earth, he did it (gave them the law/created man on the earth) anyway (which has more to do with a 2nd forty).

[Your closest friendnt]

15 minutes ago, In1 said:

Broods of vipers (pharisees/sadducees) thought the same thing about the forgiveness of sin ... Jesus' "what is easier to say ... "

God knew Adam could not keep the commandment just as he knew Israel could not keep the law. And just like it repented him that he created man on the earth, he did it (gave them the law/created man on the earth) anyway (which has more to do with a 2nd forty).

This is not what we discussing. We are on Isaiah 1 to include the context to verse 18. God told them why I should not do that not to forgive your sins when you are offering your sacrifice for sin without a contrite heart. 

[truth7t7]

14 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

The story of Abraham and Issac is in Genesis 18. 

 

Have you nor read the story of Abraham in Genesis? 

That God made his promises to them when they did not believed. And he asked for their obedience. 

That God asked them for their obedience. 

God asked Abraham for his obedience in what He asked him. 

Abraham was told. God told him what He was doing or what he was about to do and asked Abraham for his obedience in what He was asking him to do.  

Your post went in circles a few times and my brain is swimming trying to figure it out, lol

[Your closest friendnt]

37 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

Your post went in circles a few times and my brain is swimming trying to figure it out, lol

I am glad that you are thinking about it.

Is it about the immunity within the Covenant of Cirumcision. 

A very simple thought. God wanted to have a Nation multiply in Egypt and then in great  numbers to come to possess Canaan. 

The only way to do it, it was to give them immunity. Not to hold there sins against them. 

The were in Egypt he cannot give them worship and the Temple and the Priesthood in Egypt. That belong to other Gods. 

The dessert was his. His Holy mountain was there and it had to be in a Tent.