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10 hours ago, FriendofJonathan said:

So you see, without God's grace and plan of redemption, there is no shedding of blood for the forgiveness of sin.  But God created a plan that He put into action to redeem His people. 

Indeed - all part of His wonderful plan.  And what was the ultimate goal for shedding His blood?  (see Acts 20:28 & Matt 13:45-46)


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10 hours ago, missmuffet said:

Light,a symbol of holiness,goodness and knowledge.

Jesus said: "You are the light of the world.  A city set on a hill cannot be hidden."  Matt 5:14


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5 minutes ago, Vine Abider said:

Indeed - all part of His wonderful plan.  And what was the ultimate goal for shedding His blood?  (see Acts 20:28 & Matt 13:45-46)

Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that sanctifies the gold? the gift on the altar, or the altar that sanctifies the gift?  (Matthew 23:17-19).

Likewise, which is greater: the church, which is made up of sinful men that fall short of God's glorious standard, or the perfect grace of God that reconciles fallen man to God; the perfect grace that sanctifies and justifies and glorifies the church - which is Bride and Body of Christ?

"Whosoever shall swear by the altar, swears by it, and by all things thereon.  And whosoever shall swear by the temple, swears by it, and by Him that dwells therein.  And he that shall swear by heaven, swears by the throne of God, and by Him that sits thereon."  (Matthew 23:21-22).

Likewise, he that swears by God's grace, swears by all that God's grace has accomplished, which includes: the shed blood, death, burial, resurrection, ascension of the Son of God, the forgiveness of sins, the gift of eternal life for the Body and Bride of Christ, and the promise of the second advent of the Lord Jesus Christ. 

Without God's grace, would we even have the word of God?


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1 hour ago, FriendofJonathan said:

Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that sanctifies the gold? the gift on the altar, or the altar that sanctifies the gift?  (Matthew 23:17-19).

Likewise, which is greater: the church, which is made up of sinful men that fall short of God's glorious standard, or the perfect grace of God that reconciles fallen man to God; the perfect grace that sanctifies and justifies and glorifies the church - which is Bride and Body of Christ?

"Whosoever shall swear by the altar, swears by it, and by all things thereon.  And whosoever shall swear by the temple, swears by it, and by Him that dwells therein.  And he that shall swear by heaven, swears by the throne of God, and by Him that sits thereon."  (Matthew 23:21-22).

Likewise, he that swears by God's grace, swears by all that God's grace has accomplished, which includes: the shed blood, death, burial, resurrection, ascension of the Son of God, the forgiveness of sins, the gift of eternal life for the Body and Bride of Christ, and the promise of the second advent of the Lord Jesus Christ. 

Without God's grace, would we even have the word of God?

The question is: "What is the most important thing in creation?"  His ultimate plan and goal of that amazing grace is to have a vast expression through the humans He created in His image and likeness, that is, all of us.  We see this throughout the Bible, and books like Ephesians bring this clearly into view.

And where does grace come from?  His love for us.  He wants relationship with us.  A father is expressed through his children.  We are His family, His body, His bride, His farm, His building (temple) - that's why  we're the most important thing to God in His creation.


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9 minutes ago, Vine Abider said:

The question is: "What is the most important thing in creation?"  His ultimate plan and goal of that amazing grace is to have a vast expression through the humans He created in His image and likeness, that is, all of us.  We see this throughout the Bible, and books like Ephesians bring this clearly into view.

And where does grace come from?  His love for us.  He wants relationship with us.  A father is expressed through his children.  We are His family, His body, His bride, His farm, His building (temple) - that's why  we're the most important thing to God in His creation.

Okay. I understood your question not as you intended it to be understood. Perhaps had you worded your question a bit differently, say, for ex: What is the most important thing that God created in the beginning?  My answer would be different, since God's grace is one of His eternal attributes, one that God put in creation, all in accordance with His plan of redemption. 

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17 hours ago, Vine Abider said:

. . . not part of His creation.  (So rephrased: What is the most important thing in God's creation?)

 

That would be man of course. 

The nicest part of His creation is women. 

 

But men are still more important than women because if women were more important then they would have been created first. Besides, men have responsibility and accountability and that didnt make it into very many womens job description, lol. 


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1 hour ago, Edward429451 said:

 

That would be man of course. 

Yes - "What is man that You are so mindful of him?" (Psalm 4:8)  In the old creation the most important thing was Adam.  In the new creation in Christ, it's the one new man (i.e., the church), His body, building and bride.

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On 3/25/2025 at 1:53 AM, Vine Abider said:

Jesus said: "You are the light of the world.  A city set on a hill cannot be hidden."  Matt 5:14

Hi VA,

That is actually Israel. The Body had not even come into existence then.

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On 3/25/2025 at 5:48 AM, Vine Abider said:

Yes - "What is man that You are so mindful of him?" (Psalm 4:8)  In the old creation the most important thing was Adam.  In the new creation in Christ, it's the one new man (i.e., the church), His body, building and bride.

Hi VA, 

`What is the most important thing in God`s creation.` (Your quote)

`For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.`(Col. 1: 16)

So, we see that God`s creation involves more than just this ole earth. First of all, it involves all positions of power and authority. And all those will come under the Lord Jesus Christ. Thus, we realize that as God`s program unfolds throughout the centuries that the most important thing in God`s creation is the restoring of those positions of power and authority. 

God calls different groups - Israel and the nations and the Body of Christ to take responsibilities in those positions. 


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On 3/23/2025 at 9:03 PM, FriendofJonathan said:

the most important thing in anything that's created in the creator himself.  

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