What is his name, and what is his son's name?

[Locust]

3 minutes ago, other one said:

My problem is that Yahweh is not the father.

 

and yet scripture say he is

[other one]

4 hours ago, Locust said:

and yet scripture say he is

If Mosts, Aaron and 72 elders of Israel saw Yahweh and Jesus said no one on earth has ever seen the Father, how can you say that the Father is Yahweh.   That would make Jesus a liar.

[Edward429451]

4 hours ago, other one said:

My problem is that Yahweh is not the father.

 

Didn't Jesus say, if you have seen me, you have seen the Father? I think He did!

 

I had a dream one time and in it I had been taken up in spirit to visit Hevaen and to talk with the Father. But we didn't go to the throne room. It was like a house (big house) and an Angel took me there. I was waiting to see the Father and standing beside the Angel and I could see into the adjoining room and it was like a press conference going on. I could see the Father answering people's questions, and when He finished answering them, it was a minor roar of people asking and waving their hands, and He would pick one and speak with them like in a press conference. I was watching Him through the doorway and waiting and then the Father looked over at me and winked, and made some sort of gesture meaning, I'm hurrying, there's so many!

 

I tell you what, when the Father winked at me, it hit me hard! I felt like I was superman or something! Father God of all Creation winked at me! (Super cool). 

Eventually I did get to see Him and I don't really remember what we were talking about when I'd ask questions, Father, what about this? What about that. And I had called Him Father and trying to be very reverant while speaking to Him, and all of a sudden He said to me, Don't call me that, call me Abba...

I wondered why He said that. and it came to me as revelation. He doesn't want to be approached as a Judge all the time. He wanted me to approach Him as Abba. Likewise, when we approach Him for healing, approach the Physician, and so forth. That was...enlightening to me. It occurs to me how many ways we can approach Him! A our Savior, as our Healer, as our Protector and  many many more ways. I never thought about that before having that dream.

I woke up after that.  

[other one]

2 minutes ago, Edward429451 said:

Didn't Jesus say, if you have seen me, you have seen the Father? I think He did!

That is not saying that he is the Father, but that he is exactly like him.  That's where the word essence comes in from the description of the Trinity.

[Michael37]

52 minutes ago, Edward429451 said:

Didn't Jesus say, if you have seen me, you have seen the Father?

Yes, and it's very clever how that works. One of the cleverest things ever to be.

Such a sweet, transcendent, harmonious, demonstration of God's investment in humanity.

[Edward429451]

11 hours ago, other one said:

That is not saying that he is the Father, but that he is exactly like him.  That's where the word essence comes in from the description of the Trinity.

 

No, He's not the Father, but if He is exactly like Him, how could anyone say they don't know that Father? 

Off the top of my head, un my study of the trinity awhile back, I walked away from it believing that the Holy Spirit is the very essence of God. 

 

??

[Edward429451]

10 hours ago, Michael37 said:

Yes, and it's very clever how that works. One of the cleverest things ever to be.

Such a sweet, transcendent, harmonious, demonstration of God's investment in humanity.

 

Almost like He poured Himself out unto us humans, right? 

That's what I thought. And then it gets even deeper! If the disciples were able to have to ask the Lord show us the Father, and Jesus said, but if you know me then you know the Father. So that sort of suggest that the disciples were not very bright and didn't know Jesus yet very well. Because no man comes to the Father except through Me (Jesus). So it sounds like they were about as bright as modern man, lol. 

[other one]

2 hours ago, Edward429451 said:

 

No, He's not the Father, but if He is exactly like Him, how could anyone say they don't know that Father? 

Off the top of my head, un my study of the trinity awhile back, I walked away from it believing that the Holy Spirit is the very essence of God. 

 

??

When Jesus was baptized, the three were present all at the same time.  Speech, physical and in the form of a dove.  Three entities, one focus.  All three are that essence. And, our God, being of three distinct personages, is one essence.  Most people have the trouble because they don't understand god being one.  It is one essence, not one being.   Actually some people's god is money, or cars, or sex, or two of my friends is themselves.

It is hard to define what the essence of God technically means.

BTW they can't say they don't know the Father.   And if we are saved and the Holy Spirit resides in us, I think I can safely say that we have no excuse for not knowing the Father.

[Edward429451]

20 minutes ago, other one said:

When Jesus was baptized, the three were present all at the same time.  Speech, physical and in the form of a dove.  Three entities, one focus.  All three are that essence. And, our God, being of three distinct personages, is one essence.  Most people have the trouble because they don't understand god being one.  It is one essence, not one being.   Actually some people's god is money, or cars, or sex, or two of my friends is themselves.

It is hard to define what the essence of God technically means.

BTW they can't say they don't know the Father.   And if we are saved and the Holy Spirit resides in us, I think I can safely say that we have no excuse for not knowing the Father.

 

This is an interesting back and forth on this! 

Ok check me on this one, ok? 

I accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior, and was born again and He came within me to live. He promised that He would never leave me, or forsake me, right? Ok so if the Holy Spirit is the essence of Jesus then Jesus is inside of me too...

And scripture says that Jesus said, I am in the Father and the Father is in me, right? So that can only mean that I have Father, Son and Holy Spirit inside of me at all times. 

I usually invite Jesus to go with me when I go into the world for errands. But it would seem, that whe I do that, I have an entourage with me. Father, Son, Holy Spirit, at least one Guardian Angel, right? And probably a Scribe Angel too, to record my words and such. 

That's an Entourage, Brother! 

[Live2believe]

15 hours ago, other one said:

If Mosts, Aaron and 72 elders of Israel saw Yahweh and Jesus said no one on earth has ever seen the Father, how can you say that the Father is Yahweh.   That would make Jesus a liar.

This apparent contradiction exists because the true names and titles were removed from the Scriptures. Briefly, Moses, Aaron and 72 elders of Israel saw Elohim (Exodus 24:9,10). Yahshua said no one has seen the Father, Yahweh (John 1:18). Father, Yahweh - Spirit in abstract invisible state (John 4:24, Acts 17:28). He took on visionary shape and form (in part) as Elohim, Word, Christ (Exodus 24:9,10; ). In this form He appeared to the prophets. Later Elohim became flesh (John 1:1-14).